More Power to Mapmakers

Written by clovis1122, 19.01.2015 at 09:28

Written by Quantum027, 19.01.2015 at 09:26

so i make a map and the rule is that you cant talk bad about my map or my skills, its a map rule, is it allowed to ban a person who disrespects my map? according to mods it is

Srry you are not going into relevance!

I've posted the idea in the other post first than u.GG no re

Written by Quantum027, 19.01.2015 at 09:26

Written by Milton Friedman, 19.01.2015 at 08:59

Written by Goblin, 19.01.2015 at 08:53

Written by Milton Friedman, 19.01.2015 at 08:40

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> showing me that poor made rule that isnt actually giving map makers the reasons on what is considered offence on which they can ban someone
> rules made so they can be interpreted widely by does who enforce them

I hope this makes it clearer for you.

Offenses:

Leaving early
Breaking map rules

Mapmakers can't ban:

For personal reasons
For breaking rules not listed on map

Also players are innocent until proven guilty.

And it doesn't matter if you think the rules are bad, the moderators are allowed to set rules.
So you either follow them or quit.

so i make a map and the rule is that you cant talk bad about my map or my skills, its a map rule, is it allowed to ban a person who disrespects my map? according to mods it is

Written by Milton Friedman, 19.01.2015 at 09:30

Written by Quantum027, 19.01.2015 at 09:26

Written by Milton Friedman, 19.01.2015 at 08:59

Written by Goblin, 19.01.2015 at 08:53

Written by Milton Friedman, 19.01.2015 at 08:40

http://prntscr.com/5ue2xi

> showing me that poor made rule that isnt actually giving map makers the reasons on what is considered offence on which they can ban someone
> rules made so they can be interpreted widely by does who enforce them

I hope this makes it clearer for you.

Offenses:

Leaving early
Breaking map rules

Mapmakers can't ban:

For personal reasons
For breaking rules not listed on map

Also players are innocent until proven guilty.

And it doesn't matter if you think the rules are bad, the moderators are allowed to set rules.
So you either follow them or quit.

so i make a map and the rule is that you cant talk bad about my map or my skills, its a map rule, is it allowed to ban a person who disrespects my map? according to mods it is

You will have to ask the mods, as it is their job to interpret the rules and enforce them as they think is best for the game.

Written by Milton Friedman, 19.01.2015 at 09:26

No, you can't ban from maps for personal reasons, but you are free to ban people from your games, or gtfo of atWar since you agreed to follow the rules of atWar when you signed up. Doesn't matter if you like it or not, but one of the rules are that you can't ban for personal reasons.

Written by Goblin, 19.01.2015 at 09:41

Written by Milton Friedman, 19.01.2015 at 09:26

No, you can't ban from maps for personal reasons, but you are free to ban people from your games, or gtfo of atWar since you agreed to follow the rules of atWar when you signed up. Doesn't matter if you like it or not, but one of the rules are that you can't ban for personal reasons.

Define me a personal reason?

Me being an asshole is not justifiable ...but if someone tells me "fuck off you retarded piece of fuckin shit i hope your mother dies from fuckin cancer you fuckin idiot!!!!!"

I ...have to let this person, play on the fruits of my hard work? Who gave this person rights to insult me and enjoy my work?


I want that in the rules aswell, rules that mods didnt give, but insulted everyone with pathetic 23. that they made ...when Columna said they are working on rules i thougth they will give us rules too follow.

What we got is: "fuck you, we made a rule that give us the ability to decide what the rule is". ...and first sentence "map makers can ban anyone bla bla ..." should make it fine.

Dont make me laugh.

Written by Goblin, 19.01.2015 at 09:41

I ...have to let this person, play on the fruits of my hard work? Who gave this person rights to insult me and enjoy my work?

Written by notserral, 19.01.2015 at 09:54

btw, if he insults you, screenshot & send to the mods, yadda yadda yadda

Written by Goblin, 19.01.2015 at 10:20

And i certanly didnt give anyone right to insult me pulse.

Written by Quantum027, 19.01.2015 at 08:47

last time i talked to admins about an issue with mods, ivan told me to leave the mods alone and let them do work without player interference, safe to say admins do not give a shit

Written by notserral, 19.01.2015 at 10:33

Written by Goblin, 19.01.2015 at 10:20

And i certanly didnt give anyone right to insult me pulse.

yep, but you still can't ban someone from your maps because they insulted you

Written by notserral, 19.01.2015 at 10:33

Written by Goblin, 19.01.2015 at 10:20

And i certanly didnt give anyone right to insult me pulse.

yep, but you still can't ban someone from your maps because they insulted you

Written by Goblin, 19.01.2015 at 10:45

Written by notserral, 19.01.2015 at 10:33

yep, but you still can't ban someone from your maps because they insulted you

Oh, and why is that ...give me an explanation, a good one?

and still no answer on why rule 23. is so lamely made.

Quote:

23.The mapmakers have the privilege to ban a player from playing on their map/scenario for breaking map/scenario rule's or leaving early in games that could potentially jeopardize the development of a game on their map/scenario; however, the mapmakers are not allowed to ban a player on a map/scenario for personal reasons or reasons not listed. The mapmakers must provide proof, because players are assumed innocent until proven guilty. Any player can ban a player from joining the games they host for any reason.

Simplified:
- Players may ban other players from games they host for any reason.
- Map makers, when called upon, must justify the act of banning players from playing their maps/scenarios by including information/screen shots in the "Comments" spot on their ban lists.

Written by RaulPB, 19.01.2015 at 10:47

What if he joined your map just to insult that map and yourself? Wouldn't that be a fair enough ban? He's actually affecting the game in a negative way and being disrespectful on purpose against the map maker.

Written by notserral, 19.01.2015 at 10:55

quoting rule 23

Written by Goblin, 19.01.2015 at 11:11

And i also said ...you cant retroactively make me sign terms and conditions now.

Written by notserral, 19.01.2015 at 11:19

How can you possibly not understand rule #23 though. It's simple: you can't ban someone from your maps for personal reasons or if you don't supply a reason. That's it. That's all there is to it.

Written by notserral, 19.01.2015 at 10:55

IMO this whole problem would be averted if there were Terms of Service to be accepted when publishing a map. The consensus with user created content on games is that the content's rights are usually given to the game when the content is published. The banlist rules were made on the basis that the map you create, once published, ceases to be yours and becomes AW's content, therefore we should seek that the playerbase has access to it.

If it were up to me, banlists wouldn't even exist or in a very limited manner (i.e. banning people from games you host).

Written by Permamuted, 19.01.2015 at 11:29

Written by notserral, 19.01.2015 at 10:55

IMO this whole problem would be averted if there were Terms of Service to be accepted when publishing a map. The consensus with user created content on games is that the content's rights are usually given to the game when the content is published. The banlist rules were made on the basis that the map you create, once published, ceases to be yours and becomes AW's content, therefore we should seek that the playerbase has access to it.

If it were up to me, banlists wouldn't even exist or in a very limited manner (i.e. banning people from games you host).

this ^^. I have never encountered a game before where published player created content belonged to the player. Not to the extent where finding their content is popular they can withdraw it and make demands.

A terms of service as described should be introduced, itll ruffle some feathers initially and might cause some maps to get pulled down in rage. However over the long run it would prevent a lot of drama.

Written by Permamuted, 19.01.2015 at 11:29

Written by notserral, 19.01.2015 at 10:55

IMO this whole problem would be averted if there were Terms of Service to be accepted when publishing a map. The consensus with user created content on games is that the content's rights are usually given to the game when the content is published. The banlist rules were made on the basis that the map you create, once published, ceases to be yours and becomes AW's content, therefore we should seek that the playerbase has access to it.

If it were up to me, banlists wouldn't even exist or in a very limited manner (i.e. banning people from games you host).

this ^^. I have never encountered a game before where published player created content belonged to the player. Not to the extent where finding their content is popular they can withdraw it and make demands.

A terms of service as described should be introduced, itll ruffle some feathers initially and might cause some maps to get pulled down in rage. However over the long run it would prevent a lot of drama.

Written by KYBL, 19.01.2015 at 11:38

I'm not making any maps if they aren't my property.

Written by Tundy, 19.01.2015 at 11:41

Written by KYBL, 19.01.2015 at 11:38

I'm not making any maps if they aren't my property.

Written by Tundy, 19.01.2015 at 11:33

So you had never played a mod before? or a game with servers? Fuck, in Battlefield you can get permabanned from a server by having a good K/D ratio.

Written by Goblin, 19.01.2015 at 11:35

Make me sign does terms and service ...new premium players, go ahead, but im not obliged to sign anything.

And shit like this you guys say its what makes map makers angry ...no respect for their work.

Written by Permamuted, 19.01.2015 at 12:04

nobody is disrespecting the mapmakers. I have great respect for the works of tiktok, tunder and a handful of others. You can see the time and effort put into making their maps. Anyone with any comprehension of how the mapmaking process on aw works couldnt not respect them. The maps are accredited in their name, that should be enough.

However the ability to make a good/popular map shouldnt give a player the rights to strongarm the admins and the mods to acquiesce to their wishes. Its gonna cause problems, someone of questionable character throwing their weight around because they control the distribution of a popular map.

i know my opinion will be an unpopular one but just putting it out there.

Written by Goblin, 19.01.2015 at 12:28

And no answer to me on why should i be forced to allow someone who bashes my map to play on it (nothing personal, just business).

Quote:

The consensus with user created content on games is that the content's rights are usually given to the game when the content is published. The banlist rules were made on the basis that the map you create, once published, ceases to be yours and becomes AW's content, therefore we should seek that the playerbase has access to it.

Written by Permamuted, 19.01.2015 at 12:04

Written by Tundy, 19.01.2015 at 11:33

So you had never played a mod before? or a game with servers? Fuck, in Battlefield you can get permabanned from a server by having a good K/D ratio.

youd be surprised. I played age of empires before, there custom maps were editable by anyone. Someone could publish a new scenario and theyd get credited with it but if they took it down someone else would simply republish it. As it were many versions of the same map would appear if it gained popularity.

On evony which i used to play and i know skitz plays, the terms of service you accepted when you made an account made it so anything you bought with your own real money belonged to the company. Legally you had very little rights if anything happened to the goods/services you were buying. And people were dropping several thousand dollars/euros on that game, so much so that a blackmarket developed and still thrives within the game.

You guys have it so good here, and here you are demanding more rights, rights which are being and will be abused. I believe you have good intentions tunder, but many of the other mapmakers, like adog for example, i do not.

Written by Goblin, 19.01.2015 at 11:35

Make me sign does terms and service ...new premium players, go ahead, but im not obliged to sign anything.

And shit like this you guys say its what makes map makers angry ...no respect for their work.

nobody is disrespecting the mapmakers. I have great respect for the works of tiktok, tunder and a handful of others. You can see the time and effort put into making their maps. Anyone with any comprehension of how the mapmaking process on aw works couldnt not respect them. The maps are accredited in their name, that should be enough.

However the ability to make a good/popular map shouldnt give a player the rights to strongarm the admins and the mods to acquiesce to their wishes. Its gonna cause problems, someone of questionable character throwing their weight around because they control the distribution of a popular map.

i know my opinion will be an unpopular one but just putting it out there.

Written by Tundy, 19.01.2015 at 12:27

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Written by Guest, 19.01.2015 at 12:33

TBF, Adog isn't part of the strike