Who is better player?

Written by Permamuted, 16.09.2017 at 07:32

All flash no substance. Reality check. Nearly all your aw achievements were post golden era. Not a single tourney trophy of yours involves a win over me. I think i have 3 that include wins over you? Ill check if you want. My w:l ratio was higher than yours until 2016 when i played you on maps whered youd a huge experience advantage. Im sorry i played them without practice. I didnt know youd spend the next 2 years constantly bragging about the results. And youve 89000 turns played under your belt to my 44000. Im sure id have more achievements too if i found enough motivation to play that much.

Written by Permamuted, 15.09.2017 at 18:08

Im wrong all the time.

> 2016 was objectively better than 2015. Again living a glass house ignoring the year where atWar had the most active seasons ever with many peaks over the older seasons.

> How does beating me in a couple of tournaments proves yourself any better. Are you claiming that I won because you didn't participate? Who won the tournament where you wouldn't participate due to Blitz Ukraine, just to join and lose in round 2? #MOE times. #2015

> My W:L score was/is far higher, be it Eu+ or outside of it. It was always like that. There were a couple of times where you got to tie it but i recovered the lead. How many times have you beat me outside of Eu? Just one.

Why don't we go and duel. That's what the people are waiting for. https://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=22559

Written by clovis1122, 16.09.2017 at 08:54

Why don't we go and duel. That's what the people are waiting for. https://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=22559

What people?

Nobody couldn't care less about both your ego's.

Most boring forumwars in AW history, dear god.

Written by Waffel, 16.09.2017 at 12:51

Written by clovis1122, 16.09.2017 at 08:54

Why don't we go and duel. That's what the people are waiting for. https://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=22559

What people?

Waffel cares! I have poof i.e:

Written by clovis1122, 16.09.2017 at 13:53

Written by Waffel, 16.09.2017 at 12:51

Written by clovis1122, 16.09.2017 at 08:54

Why don't we go and duel. That's what the people are waiting for. https://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=22559

What people?

Waffel cares! I have poof i.e:

Omygod, you literally have no life to save and search all these things...



PS: I upvoted bcs I always upvote Nero, still couldn't care less bout you 2.

Written by Waffel, 16.09.2017 at 13:55

PS: I upvoted bcs I always upvote Nero, still couldn't care less bout you 2.

OFC, nobody cares about lao.

But you care about me, right? :3

Written by clovis1122, 16.09.2017 at 14:40

Written by Waffel, 16.09.2017 at 13:55

PS: I upvoted bcs I always upvote Nero, still couldn't care less bout you 2.

OFC, nobody cares about lao.

But you care about me, right? :3

No, you snitched me

Written by Waffel, 16.09.2017 at 14:46

Written by clovis1122, 16.09.2017 at 14:40

Written by Waffel, 16.09.2017 at 13:55

PS: I upvoted bcs I always upvote Nero, still couldn't care less bout you 2.

OFC, nobody cares about lao.

But you care about me, right? :3

No, you snitched me

I stole... what?

I guess Laochra.

Still nostalgic for 2011... where only ironail and aristo could beat me... good old priority. Now competitive scene is so bad even r5 can beat me.

Written by Skanderbeg, 16.09.2017 at 15:24

Now competitive scene is so bad even r5 can beat me.

Or you have no brain ....

Like watching two old men argue abt WW2

Clovis is more relevant today because he has remained active, ask this question even a year ago and it would be hands down lao.

The servers are better than both of them.

If you don't believe it let them death duel, i bet there'll be massive server dcs preventing them from concluding this

Written by LukeTan, 17.09.2017 at 11:05

The servers are better than both of them.

Servers > zizou > Unknown Gamer > admins > mods > Rest of hackers (me, sf, klevis,etc) > mortal atWar players

Written by clovis1122, 16.09.2017 at 08:54

> 2016 was objectively better than 2015. Again living a glass house ignoring the year where atWar had the most active seasons ever with many peaks over the older seasons.

We are talking about the duel scene. The cw season was active mainly due to illyria and whatever clan ferr was in. But thats irrelevant to your elo record. The duel scene went to shit after the very first ranked season. The 1 where you played 50 africa duels in the last 3 days(a record) and didnt even rank. You also scammed waffel out of elo cause he was beating you. But after that season it was just you and opi(who wasnt as active or as good as you). Everyone else stopped playing.

Written by clovis1122, 16.09.2017 at 08:54

> How does beating me in a couple of tournaments proves yourself any better.

Written by clovis1122, 26.05.2017 at 18:16

It comes to important matches (like tournaments, deciding season cws, etc) when people like heat shines the best. You can only gauge their true potential there.

Eat your own words. Also yea remember that last week of the season when i was in sm where njab made a thread about my winstreak? Remember how you bragged youd stop me only to lose and delete the post. I remember and im sure you do too. Bitter memory eh . Oh and yea then you proceeded to win the season by refusing to allow me to play in the season decider.

Written by clovis1122, 16.09.2017 at 08:54

> How does beating me in a couple of tournaments proves yourself any better. Are you claiming that I won because you didn't participate? Who won the tournament where you wouldn't participate due to Blitz Ukraine, just to join and lose in round 2? #MOE times. #2015

After i won the first moe i didnt care about the others. If i had you wouldnt have that trophy. Your east wasnt good enough back then. Im amazed you beat zone. Mustve been luck. I only joined moe4 to kill you but don knocked you out.

Written by clovis1122, 16.09.2017 at 08:54

> My W:L score was/is far higher, be it Eu+ or outside of it. It was always like that. There were a couple of times where you got to tie it but i recovered the lead. How many times have you beat me outside of Eu? Just one.

XAXAXA. Go count the wins on our early duels. All your outside eu duels were on maps where id 0 experience vs a lao who had long since stopped playing seriously. If i cared i either wouldnt have played or i wouldve prepared. Little did i know you would spend the next 2 years bragging all over the place as if those games mattered.



also look at this. I took this tourney seriously and had plays people hadnt seen before prepared. Mauz had won the previous year and cared less than i did so he lost. Don is always tricky. Acqui very nearly beat me. You though? i whitewashed you. And yea sure we're supposed to believe youd the better W:L. What record is there of this.

Written by clovis1122, 16.09.2017 at 08:54

Why don't we go and duel. That's what the people are waiting for. https://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=22559

someday. Im in no condition to play anyone properly right now. Also yea waffels right. Nobody gives a shit about what we do.

Also you loser. People are telling me youre badgering them to vote for you in this thread. Imagine what the score would be if i roused my inactive clanmates and got the old sm members to vote too. I guess you need this since nobody takes you seriously on the forums anyway.

Written by Waffel, 16.09.2017 at 14:46

No, you snitched me

Lol he snitches on you to mods(while youre a clanmate) and scams you out of elo and you remain his best friend. Nice doormat.

Written by Permamuted, 17.09.2017 at 18:50

Your east wasnt good enough back then. Im amazed you beat zone. Mustve been luck.

Written by LukeTan, 14.09.2017 at 10:05

See? Gotta love this guy. MOE #2 was one of the fewest tournaments for which I've actually bothered to train in order to win. In the finals with Zone I won 2:1. He said it was luck (because I got Ukraine twice, game was whoever gets Ukraine wins). I then, spoke with Croat to re-do the final match as a best of 10 games with the same MOE rules.

The last score was 5:2. Laochra is such a biased person that he'd say that winning 5 out of 7 games is pure luck. Pfff....

Written by Permamuted, 17.09.2017 at 18:50

Also you loser. People are telling me youre badgering them to vote for you in this thread.

Call them out.

I'm not like you or hdrakon that prs people to vote. I'll be impressed if you can get some other than your minion which would gladly sell themselves here.

In the original score I had the obvious lead over you. That you spam alts in order to alter the today's results or that some trolls attempt to incriminate me here won't change what the original results proved.

Well clovis been my fav always..
laochra is a good player also..but clovis been stronger from my opinion..also unique tactics

the fun thing is that like 80 players voted but only one upvoted opi's post

Written by clovis1122, 17.09.2017 at 19:40

Call them out.

I'm not like you or hdrakon that prs people to vote. I'll be impressed if you can get some other than your minion which would gladly sell themselves here.

In the original score I had the obvious lead over you. That you spam alts in order to alter the today's results or that some trolls attempt to incriminate me here won't change what the original results proved.

Im spamming alts? Find even 1 suspected laochra alt amongst those visited users. I dont give a shit about polls. You on the other hand.



You never cease to amaze me with the depts to which youll sink.

Written by Permamuted, 17.09.2017 at 19:47

Written by clovis1122, 17.09.2017 at 19:40

Call them out.

I'm not like you or hdrakon that prs people to vote. I'll be impressed if you can get some other than your minion which would gladly sell themselves here.

In the original score I had the obvious lead over you. That you spam alts in order to alter the today's results or that some trolls attempt to incriminate me here won't change what the original results proved.

Im spamming alts? Find even 1 suspected laochra alt amongst those visited users. I dont give a shit about polls. You on the other hand.



You never cease to amaze me with the depts to which youll sink.

and how we know that they arent your alts sir?.

(also i think it would be fair if opi added someother guys to thi poll) nvm if its just between you two

Written by clovis1122, 17.09.2017 at 19:40

That you spam alts in order to alter the today's results or that some trolls attempt to incriminate me here won't change what the original results proved.

Written by Permamuted, 17.09.2017 at 19:47

Im spamming alts?

> Speaking about future
> Re-phases it as an on-going action.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Written by Permamuted, 17.09.2017 at 19:47

Find even 1 suspected laochra alt amongst those visited users. I dont give a shit about polls. You on the other hand.



You never cease to amaze me with the depts to which youll sink.

Are you implying that these accounts are mines?

Written by Conscious Huarck, 17.09.2017 at 19:52

and how we know that they arent your alts sir?.

(also i think it would be fair if opi added someother guys to thi poll) nvm if its just between you two

Lol yea my alts and i voted for clovis. Last i saw there was only a 4 vote gap. I actually am not a loser. I dont rig stupid atwar polls.

We all know clovis has a vpn and is sad enough to do this. You know how many times he has sent me this link over the past 2 years? And the worst mod link?

Written by clovis1122, 17.09.2017 at 19:55

Are you implying that these accounts are mines?

Haha so let me get this straight. Youre saying im spamming alts to vote for you and then posting screenshots of said alts in order to make you look bad? Such clever wow. You do realise i dont need elaborate schemes to make you look petty. Theres plenty of that shit on the aw forums already.

edit: also huarck stay out of this. Look at the man youre defending and how hes behaving. It's so pathetic and does you no favours.

Written by Permamuted, 17.09.2017 at 20:00

Written by Conscious Huarck, 17.09.2017 at 19:52

and how we know that they arent your alts sir?.

(also i think it would be fair if opi added someother guys to thi poll) nvm if its just between you two

Lol yea my alts and i voted for clovis. Last i saw there was only a 4 vote gap. I actually am not a loser. I dont rig stupid atwar polls.

We all know clovis has a vpn and is sad enough to do this. You know how many times he has sent me this link over the past 2 years? And the worst mod link?

well i dont know if 2 accounts can change a 4 vote gap to a 12... also i dont think thtat clovis uses alt to increase his votes for a poll..he is not that man,he's one of the most legit guys i know in aw.. i dont remember if he tried to trick for points not in game neither forum.
also maybe they were made by a trolls or Accidental visit or..idk

> Original score had me with 14+ lead.
> Bumped the thread, I still win.
> Claims that I used VPN to make alts rig the results. Any mod can prove that I haven't logged in today with a bunch of different IP's.

Sure you didn't wanted to say the same about PotY? You lost there as well. Wanna argue about how I rigged the results for.... 3 years!?

I'm gonna stop here. It was obvious from the start that you wouldn't accept what the ELO peaks, the W:L scores, the tourney badges and the community had told you over and over again. But hey I hope the readers had fun with the drama.

See you in the battlefield... if you ever come alive here. I'll make sure to give you the good nights

As for the rest of this thread:

Written by Permamuted, 15.09.2017 at 18:08

Im wrong all the time.

Fuck clovis

Written by Your Monkey, 17.09.2017 at 20:42

Fuck clovis

Written by clovis1122, 17.09.2017 at 20:16

> Original score had me with 14+ lead.

Lol you think that means anything. So more of your friends visited this thread than mine?

Written by clovis1122, 17.09.2017 at 20:16

> Claims that I used VPN to make alts rig the results. Any mod can prove that I haven't logged in today with a bunch of different IP's.

Are you trying to trick ignorant people or something? Since when can mods do that. If they could this community would have no troll altspammer problems.

Written by clovis1122, 17.09.2017 at 20:16

Sure you didn't wanted to say the same about PotY? You lost there as well. Wanna argue about how I rigged the results for.... 3 years!?

Wow you are so pathetic. Did you know i actually voted for you in those because of your game contributions? I really regret it but i certainly wasnt a deserving winner. Almost all the former poty winners went on to become mods. And of all of them you are the only 1 so shameful as to brag about the achievement. Others have even said this to you and yet here you are.

Written by Guest, 26.04.2017 at 06:47

Written by clovis1122, 25.04.2017 at 22:54

As for the community & mods thing, wow, that's so sad. Think I'll go to sit over my 4 PotY awards to cry about it

Disgusting attitude imo

Note how when you began winning people stopped caring about that award. Previous winners had class and respectability. You may have made lots of guides and made a calc but you are certainly not the kind of guy people want representing this community. It is why you were never made mod. And in the past few years youve made no attempt to mature and improve upon yourself. Instead you blame me for all your failings. Some hard truths for you.

Also nice posting a w/e meme after unearthing and bumping this 2 year old thread.

Written by Ruse, 17.09.2017 at 20:57

clovis is a hardworking player and it makes him best player of all time

im playing this game since late 2010 i have played with most common pro players and i have to say laochra is better than clovis in general skill but atwar is a risk game and clovis is better risk player than everyone

we can separate players like this;

good strategy players: laochra learster tophats chess dr trollface
good risk players: clovis opi goblin eagle

The only good non asshole post ive ever seen you make, well done.

I think it's time for Clovis x Laochra prt 2