When is new banlist feature coming out?

Written by clovis1122, 25.06.2014 at 06:29

there will be A LOT of people complaining about MapMarkers banning unfair, and they will start a riot.... and in the end, Mods will have that power. Simply as that.

Lol, who is gonna riot if a few map makers with few to no plays at all, ban them from their maps? Clearly nobody is gonna riot.

Buts let's assume that All map makers abuse it, how is that different from hiding a scenario? How is it different from kicking you from a scenario? How are you gonna riot? Non-map makers can't riot, it's like having a student that got expel from a school, saying that he will not go to that school ever again.

Mods can't handle the ban list, there is at least 10 active map makers, each one of them giving the mods 5 legit troll names a day, then you have the wanna-be map makers that are barely making their first map, every one of them is probably gonna give the mods at least 1 name a day. If we really take a look into it, imagine the mods having to read 100 extra reports a day, and then having to add the names to the ban list of their respective maps? Tik-tok and I alone have like 30, so each time we report 1'legit troll, mods would have to add him to the ban list of 30 maps. If I report 5, they will have to add them to 30 maps, which are the equivalent of 150 names... (5 names x 30 maps). The trolls aren't restricted to my map, or tik-toks' map, they will probably troll my map 1 day, troll tik-tok's another, and then in 1 week troll the map of 20 different guys. So you don't only have a persistent troll player base that will troll different maps until he gets banned and then move to a different map: the troll player base increases new alts are being made, new people register....

Now, let's assume that 5 guys trolls the maps of 12 different map makers, 10 of the map makers have 3 maps each and 2 of them have 15 each. 60 x 5 = 300. Mods would have to add those 5 names to 60 maps with would be equal to 300 names of work. Now tell me: do you think mods have the time to do all of this?

Written by Tundy, 25.06.2014 at 11:35

Written by clovis1122, 25.06.2014 at 06:29

there will be A LOT of people complaining about MapMarkers banning unfair, and they will start a riot.... and in the end, Mods will have that power. Simply as that.

Lol, who is gonna riot if a few map makers with few to no plays at all, ban them from their maps? Clearly nobody is gonna riot.

Buts let's assume that All map makers abuse it, how is that different from hiding a scenario? How is it different from kicking you from a scenario? How are you gonna riot? Non-map makers can't riot, it's like having a student that got expel from a school, saying that he will not go to that school ever again.

Mods can't handle the ban list, there is at least 10 active map makers, each one of them giving the mods 5 legit troll names a day, then you have the wanna-be map makers that are barely making their first map, every one of them is probably gonna give the mods at least 1 name a day. If we really take a look into it, imagine the mods having to read 100 extra reports a day, and then having to add the names to the ban list of their respective maps? Tik-tok and I alone have like 30, so each time we report 1'legit troll, mods would have to add him to the ban list of 30 maps. If I report 5, they will have to add them to 30 maps, which are the equivalent of 150 names... (5 names x 30 maps). The trolls aren't restricted to my map, or tik-toks' map, they will probably troll my map 1 day, troll tik-tok's another, and then in 1 week troll the map of 20 different guys. So you don't only have a persistent troll player base that will troll different maps until he gets banned and then move to a different map: the troll player base increases new alts are being made, new people register....

Now, let's assume that 5 guys trolls the maps of 12 different map makers, 10 of the map makers have 3 maps each and 2 of them have 15 each. 60 x 5 = 300. Mods would have to add those 5 names to 60 maps with would be equal to 300 names of work. Now tell me: do you think mods have the time to do all of this?

I have another 12 maps the mods will have to add them too, don't forget me

Written by Tik-Tok, 25.06.2014 at 10:23

bla.

So in the end, you want to have the power for ban people out of your scenarios regardless the other's mapmarkers. I understand, because you had suffered from the leavers. I agree with this suggestion though:

Written by Tik-Tok, 25.06.2014 at 10:23

hen restrict it those trusted to use & give it to those who ask for it who can prove they can follow the guidelines given.

About the Mods, They cant punishe a people by commo sense. If rules doesnt say it, then they can do nothing. It's commo sense to define where leaving is trolling and where is not, BUT RULES DOESNT SAY LEAVE IS TROLLING!. And they cant ban people because commo sense.

If a country doesnt have a rule that give the power to police to arrest people that belong to a gang (like my country), Then police just cant arrest them using commo sense. I mean, everyone know that those who belong to a gang away do bad and dirty suff like drugs, assain, steal, blablabla. But commo sense doesnt work in chases like this.

So, for resume, we can do this:

► First, the power for ban people of scenarios is given to Moderator Team.
► After some hours/days, MapMarkers can ask for the power too.
► blablabla ( some rules that regulate his use should be here).

Written by Tundy, 25.06.2014 at 11:35

Lol, who is gonna riot if a few map makers with few to no plays at all, ban them from their maps? Clearly nobody is gonna riot.

Buts let's assume that All map makers abuse it, how is that different from hiding a scenario? How is it different from kicking you from a scenario? How are you gonna riot? Non-map makers can't riot, it's like having a student that got expel from a school, saying that he will not go to that school ever again.

Mods can't handle the ban list, there is at least 10 active map makers, each one of them giving the mods 5 legit troll names a day, then you have the wanna-be map makers that are barely making their first map, every one of them is probably gonna give the mods at least 1 name a day. If we really take a look into it, imagine the mods having to read 100 extra reports a day, and then having to add the names to the ban list of their respective maps? Tik-tok and I alone have like 30, so each time we report 1'legit troll, mods would have to add him to the ban list of 30 maps. If I report 5, they will have to add them to 30 maps, which are the equivalent of 150 names... (5 names x 30 maps). The trolls aren't restricted to my map, or tik-toks' map, they will probably troll my map 1 day, troll tik-tok's another, and then in 1 week troll the map of 20 different guys. So you don't only have a persistent troll player base that will troll different maps until he gets banned and then move to a different map: the troll player base increases new alts are being made, new people register....

Now, let's assume that 5 guys trolls the maps of 12 different map makers, 10 of the map makers have 3 maps each and 2 of them have 15 each. 60 x 5 = 300. Mods would have to add those 5 names to 60 maps with would be equal to 300 names of work. Now tell me: do you think mods have the time to do all of this?

OMG Hazardous <3 hope you still keep loving me but I will argue against you:

1) there are people, me incluide, that like Small and low played map. Even if they arent populous, I still enjoy playing them. So do community. You cant compare small map with big maps because in the end, they are all Maps. And It would be unfair to be banned for personal suff.

2) Great then why MapMarkers make an scenario? for hide it? That is pointless. Even if the creator of a map put you unfairy on ban list, you can still start the scenario, or play with a friend host. I mean, if the people regonize that you was unfairy banned, then they would join and play anyway.

In the end, Is like a company that produce cars and then ask: " Why I need to pay taxation to the govement if I made the car? is MY CAR I DECIDE WHAT TO DO WITH IT OMG".
MapMarkers: " Why I cant kick whoever I want if I made the map? IS MY MAP I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT WITH IT."

We need a lawyel for those kind of question, but in the end, It seems quite nooblish that a company stop making cars for the taxes, So a MapMarker hiding scenario for 1 people. Is a loss-loss for MapMarkers, and the other will just go to other map...


LOL you are organizing Trolling like it isn a big suff. They arent organizated like a Database. And Mods can do it. Slow but Secured, Mods never take sides, they see the demander and demanded as the same - so the troll and the accuser. Mods dont ban for the simply mention of "troll" but for the SS proven and other type of proof. This is very helpfur for avoid unfair ban and the commo accidentaly wf of some maps. Because Most Mapmarkers ban for the simply hear of trolling in most chases, without proof, without talk with the troll, without nothing. Just ban and *poof* banned.

(most mapmarkers, I didnt say name nor was meaning you was one of thoses, but we need to look all MapMarkers and not the important ones only.)

Written by Professor Adog, 25.06.2014 at 17:00

I have another 12 maps the mods will have to add them too, don't forget me

How can we forget Cute Adog <3

Written by Tundy, 25.06.2014 at 11:35

Written by clovis1122, 25.06.2014 at 06:29

there will be A LOT of people complaining about MapMarkers banning unfair, and they will start a riot.... and in the end, Mods will have that power. Simply as that.

Lol, who is gonna riot if a few map makers with few to no plays at all, ban them from their maps? Clearly nobody is gonna riot.

Buts let's assume that All map makers abuse it, how is that different from hiding a scenario? How is it different from kicking you from a scenario? How are you gonna riot? Non-map makers can't riot, it's like having a student that got expel from a school, saying that he will not go to that school ever again.

Mods can't handle the ban list, there is at least 10 active map makers, each one of them giving the mods 5 legit troll names a day, then you have the wanna-be map makers that are barely making their first map, every one of them is probably gonna give the mods at least 1 name a day. If we really take a look into it, imagine the mods having to read 100 extra reports a day, and then having to add the names to the ban list of their respective maps? Tik-tok and I alone have like 30, so each time we report 1'legit troll, mods would have to add him to the ban list of 30 maps. If I report 5, they will have to add them to 30 maps, which are the equivalent of 150 names... (5 names x 30 maps). The trolls aren't restricted to my map, or tik-toks' map, they will probably troll my map 1 day, troll tik-tok's another, and then in 1 week troll the map of 20 different guys. So you don't only have a persistent troll player base that will troll different maps until he gets banned and then move to a different map: the troll player base increases new alts are being made, new people register....

Now, let's assume that 5 guys trolls the maps of 12 different map makers, 10 of the map makers have 3 maps each and 2 of them have 15 each. 60 x 5 = 300. Mods would have to add those 5 names to 60 maps with would be equal to 300 names of work. Now tell me: do you think mods have the time to do all of this?

When you hide a scenario you take it away from everyone.

When you ban certain people, well you can figure that out.

>rules not saying leaving is trolling

I'm quite sure they include leaving, as leaving can cause 19 ticked off people.

Well this escalated quickly...

Written by Guest, 25.06.2014 at 19:19

>rules not saying leaving is trolling

I'm quite sure they include leaving, as leaving can cause 19 ticked off people.

They dont. It can be simply explained, remember Afterwind didnt had many scenarios, and so, people WANT YOU to leave and make it easier for them. (there wasnt much team games also )

Now, a tiny country is very important on the new scenarios and maps of AtWar. Games can be serious trolled by 1 people quitting, as it will usually grant his team a big unfair disadvantage.

So, trolling centain maps like Scenarios should be considerated as trollling.

Written by clovis1122, 26.06.2014 at 14:50

Written by Guest, 25.06.2014 at 19:19

>rules not saying leaving is trolling

I'm quite sure they include leaving, as leaving can cause 19 ticked off people.

They dont. It can be simply explained, remember Afterwind didnt had many scenarios, and so, people WANT YOU to leave and make it easier for them. (there wasnt much team games also )

Now, a tiny country is very important on the new scenarios and maps of AtWar. Games can be serious trolled by 1 people quitting, as it will usually grant his team a big unfair disadvantage.

So, trolling centain maps like Scenarios should be considerated as trollling.

They always have, you numbskull. The Devs clearly knew that a 3v3 can be ruined in someone left, so they had rule 1 to try and protect people from the trolls.

Written by clovis1122, 27.06.2014 at 15:30

Written by Guest, 27.06.2014 at 04:49

Written by clovis1122, 26.06.2014 at 14:50

Written by Guest, 25.06.2014 at 19:19

>rules not saying leaving is trolling

I'm quite sure they include leaving, as leaving can cause 19 ticked off people.

They dont. It can be simply explained, remember Afterwind didnt had many scenarios, and so, people WANT YOU to leave and make it easier for them. (there wasnt much team games also )

Now, a tiny country is very important on the new scenarios and maps of AtWar. Games can be serious trolled by 1 people quitting, as it will usually grant his team a big unfair disadvantage.

So, trolling centain maps like Scenarios should be considerated as trollling.

They always have, you numbskull. The Devs clearly knew that a 3v3 can be ruined in someone left, so they had rule 1 to try and protect people from the trolls.

Sure is easy talk without proof huh? ( Dont even try to find, there isn any such rule.)

Rule 1, ya skullnumb

Written by clovis1122, 25.06.2014 at 18:21

How can we forget Cute Adog <3

Agree i am cute <3 But it is still at the end of the day our private property. We can do whatever we want with it, and abuse is something the non-map makers will face. If a map-maker is being a dick or a faggot to you, then all i can ever say is, make your own content.

Especially with the quality map makers like Tik-Tok, Tunder3 and I, we spend ages working on our maps. At the end of the day it's our work, we should ALWAYS, have the right to decide who gets to touch that. The respectable map makers like ourselves would be relatively fair.

It's clear that if you are an ass-hole or if you have trolled our maps on several occasion, then we are inclined to sanction you. There are many ass-hole hosts who kick for no reason, mainly just because they dislike you. Once again, how is this different from personal banning? Answer. Come on mods. And, have you exactly done anything about it? Oh wait... no. How sad.

Let's also make something clear, the fact people get to play superior custom maps such as Tunder's GGG, Tik-Tok's WW2 or one of my maps is not a right. It is a privilege. We could easily choose to hide our maps, evident by the map strike. If we wanted to be asocial pricks we could easily just hide our maps and play only personal games and only let trusted people host our maps (we could do this by giving trusted hosts collab power in our maps so they can see and host it when hidden)

Although I have said everything above, I must clarify, that respectable map makers such as myself do not wish to give giant wholesale personal bans. What I do fight for, is the right for every map maker, the right we deserve. The right mods are so scared to give us. They think for us it is a privilege to have a ban-list and a right for everyone to play our maps. It is the exact inverse, it is a right to have a ban-list and a privilege for everyone to play our maps.

And the mods who are scared we will selectively punish, hypocritically, aren't that good themselves about punishing people fairly. But let's not talk about that shall we?

Written by Helly, 22.06.2014 at 17:50

I just like to say that if you make the map then it is your property, why does it matter who you ban from it? Its yours if they dislike it then make there own, if they love it they wont fight with you and will try to come to an agreements on terms of being unbanned on the map, all im saying is that we are the ones who spend hours and hours making them we are the ones wasting our times in the starting lobby trying to get 20 players to start a game just to have it trolled, in all fairness it should work like this, trusted map makers should be ble to aplly to have the ban function, if someone abuses the power they should be taken on the list to have ban feature, dont just give it to everyone cuase your right the community is full of idiots and abuse is gonna happen without regulation but then again trolls are abusing game lobbies cuase they arent getting punished so abuse will always be there but this was good people can get some justice,

I may not like hell but he has 100% fair point.

Written by clovis1122, 27.06.2014 at 18:20

Cute Professor Adog <3 but I will sadly need to deniege this

Just read my reply to my other beloved Hazardous (AKA Thunder3)

Written by clovis1122, 25.06.2014 at 18:21

OMG Hazardous <3 hope you still keep loving me but I will argue against you:

1) there are people, me incluide, that like Small and low played map. Even if they arent populous, I still enjoy playing them. So do community. You cant compare small map with big maps because in the end, they are all Maps. And It would be unfair to be banned for personal suff.

2) Great then why MapMarkers make an scenario? for hide it? That is pointless. Even if the creator of a map put you unfairy on ban list, you can still start the scenario, or play with a friend host. I mean, if the people regonize that you was unfairy banned, then they would join and play anyway.

In the end, Is like a company that produce cars and then ask: " Why I need to pay taxation to the govement if I made the car? is MY CAR I DECIDE WHAT TO DO WITH IT OMG".
MapMarkers: " Why I cant kick whoever I want if I made the map? IS MY MAP I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT WITH IT."

We need a lawyel for those kind of question, but in the end, It seems quite nooblish that a company stop making cars for the taxes, So a MapMarker hiding scenario for 1 people. Is a loss-loss for MapMarkers, and the other will just go to other map...


LOL you are organizing Trolling like it isn a big suff. They arent organizated like a Database. And Mods can do it. Slow but Secured, Mods never take sides, they see the demander and demanded as the same - so the troll and the accuser. Mods dont ban for the simply mention of "troll" but for the SS proven and other type of proof. This is very helpfur for avoid unfair ban and the commo accidentaly wf of some maps. Because Most Mapmarkers ban for the simply hear of trolling in most chases, without proof, without talk with the troll, without nothing. Just ban and *poof* banned.

(most mapmarkers, I didnt say name nor was meaning you was one of thoses, but we need to look all MapMarkers and not the important ones only.)

It's still our right.

I completely agree with you Adog, mapmakers should have a right to control and selectively limit their content. Simple advantages to skilled map makers will encourage others with dedication to map making to create and host better maps. The At-war community should remember that some of the greatest content within this game is made by dedicated mapmakers such as Adog, Tik-Tok and Tunder3. Without mapmakers constantly creating and revising content that they have meticulously edited, there would be no great maps, and scenarios to enjoy.

At the very least, players should respect the people who give their time for the sake of making At-war a more fun, and all around better game.

Ok, ewe/epic win (sorry bae) and all you mods do you make high quality maps ? Why don't you sit there for hours drawing the map of Europe from scratch. Go ahead. GO FUCKING AHEAD. Because i did (twice actually 1 for modern, 1 for Napoleon). Maybe you might not like eu maps or large maps.. oh well, how about spend 2 hours carving out all important rivers like the amazon or the nile like tunder did for GGG? Why not try carving out the states of russia from scratch? or maybe china if russia's too easy. Why not try doing accurate dated maps like 1914, 1938. And this is just the bordering stage. Why not try add advanced mechanics - such as controlling inflation or country incomes. Why not try adding tons of innovation and advanced techniques into your maps, and meticulously revising and testing them. Why not make 100s of units, find just the perfect image for each of them, and link them all together in harmonious fashion. Why not? Oh wait... too much effort huh?

Then after this, watch how you wait 30mins to an hour (maybe more) to start one of your maps. Then watch it get trolled. Watch how a rank 5 leaves. (And to address the feeling for collective clan bans) watch how a group players from tempted legion (who can't really even play with skill) come and troll, insult and spam in your map. In your game. In your effort. Why don't you try mods, and come feel what we do. Why don't you come and do this mods, or do you think it's a waste of your "precious" time? You mods do not know how we feel, until you are in our shoes. And this goes to everyone else as-well who keep saying we shouldn't have the right to ban anyone. You go do it yourself, and you will know how we feel.

Incorrect analogy, we aren't selling them maps. That would be trade. In that case no map maker would ban. But we are giving it away for free. Therefore they get this nice privilege of free maps. Therefore the analogy is incorrect i'm afraid.

Written by Helly, 22.06.2014 at 17:50

I just like to say that if you make the map then it is your property, why does it matter who you ban from it? Its yours if they dislike it then make there own, if they love it they wont fight with you and will try to come to an agreements on terms of being unbanned on the map, all im saying is that we are the ones who spend hours and hours making them we are the ones wasting our times in the starting lobby trying to get 20 players to start a game just to have it trolled, in all fairness it should work like this, trusted map makers should be ble to aplly to have the ban function, if someone abuses the power they should be taken on the list to have ban feature, dont just give it to everyone cuase your right the community is full of idiots and abuse is gonna happen without regulation but then again trolls are abusing game lobbies cuase they arent getting punished so abuse will always be there but this was good people can get some justice,

I really like this suggestion. Support!

You wouldn't have made the map without the admins' help. And you could be banning innocent people, say someone who is Jewish bans a athiest for an example. Is the ban justified? Hell no.

Written by Professor Adog, 27.06.2014 at 18:36

Ok, ewe/epic win (sorry bae) and all you mods do you make high quality maps ? Why don't you sit there for hours drawing the map of Europe from scratch. Go ahead. GO FUCKING AHEAD.

https://atwar-game.com/users/profile.php?user_id=117047
Got 12 published maps (made from scratch!) and other 5 unpublished maps. Check the showcase section of the forum.
Would love to say "screw my dick, fuck off and die"... but will keep it diplomatic: don't be arrogant and start recognizing that there are different opinions by other map-makers. Just because I'm not posing around with maps/scenarios, does not mean that I do not have the RIGHT to talk about the issues discussed. Maps/scenarios are of public interest and, thus, have to be managed carefully.

Written by Professor Adog, 27.06.2014 at 18:36

Ok, ewe/epic win (sorry bae) and all you mods do you make high quality maps ? Why don't you sit there for hours drawing the map of Europe from scratch. Go ahead. GO FUCKING AHEAD.

i've got 3 maps. 1 is a map and 2 are scenarios. I'm also working on an Edo Japan map that I'm working on from scratch.
[Insert CD's message here]

Written by Columna Durruti, 27.06.2014 at 22:41

Written by Professor Adog, 27.06.2014 at 18:36

Ok, ewe/epic win (sorry bae) and all you mods do you make high quality maps ? Why don't you sit there for hours drawing the map of Europe from scratch. Go ahead. GO FUCKING AHEAD.

https://atwar-game.com/users/profile.php?user_id=117047
Got 12 published maps (made from scratch!) and other 5 unpublished maps. Check the showcase section of the forum.
Would love to say "screw my dick, fuck off and die"... but will keep it diplomatic: don't be arrogant and start recognizing that there are different opinions by other map-makers. Just because I'm not posing around with maps/scenarios, does not mean that I do not have the RIGHT to talk about the issues discussed. Maps/scenarios are of public interest and, thus, have to be managed carefully.

That's not what i am saying. I am saying that people do not understand how we feel until they do what we do. They can discuss, but they cannot understand our viewpoint until they truly become map makers. Also, you guys are mods, if you're going to say *i made maps yet I do not feel this* well that doesn't really count, as you are mods. You barely have feelings.

Written by clovis1122, 27.06.2014 at 19:16

Written by Professor Adog, 27.06.2014 at 18:47

Incorrect analogy, we aren't selling them maps. That would be trade. In that case no map maker would ban. But we are giving it away for free. Therefore they get this nice privilege of free maps. Therefore the analogy is incorrect i'm afraid.

Not incorrect analogy.

I am taking as Reference, A company that sells a product, and claim about "why they need to pay taxes for their own product"
And so is a MapMarker, with his argument: " Why I cant control my own map?".

The two have the same purpose: For defend People's right.

One example of how People's right could be injuried is this:

Written by Guest, 27.06.2014 at 19:03

You wouldn't have made the map without the admins' help. And you could be banning innocent people, say someone who is Jewish bans a athiest for an example. Is the ban justified? Hell no.

Once again, it's an incorrect analogy. Because businesses try to gain something out of their customers right? What are we (as map makers) gaining from releasing our maps? Nothing. Therefore we are giving them a gift, which is not the same as the business who is trying to sell a product. Buying a product =/= getting a gift. We are giving them a gift, if they are mean/snide to us or are rude, troll or spam, we should have the right to take that privilege away.

Ban List will be coming out in 5 months, 29 days, 18 hours, 23 minutes and 49 seconds.

Written by Guest, 27.06.2014 at 19:03

You wouldn't have made the map without the admins' help. And you could be banning innocent people, say someone who is Jewish bans a athiest for an example. Is the ban justified? Hell no.

In that case, mods would need to intervene. I am saying that map makers should be able to ban the: trolls, spammers, leavers and anyone who is snide to them. This does not mean i support map makers to be able to ban for racial hatred, or for retarded reasons like if the person does not ally a map maker in game. In that case mods must intervene.

(also I don't think the jews would ban people it would be the other way around If i was a racist map maker I'd ban jews, turks and bosnians first. But obviously i am not, I keep my political and racist opinions to myself when it comes to banning people.)

Written by Professor Adog, 28.06.2014 at 01:46

You barely have feelings.

Written by Meester, 28.06.2014 at 04:28

Written by Professor Adog, 28.06.2014 at 01:46

You barely have feelings.

I'm pretty sure mods who have no feelings, aren't supposed to post death threats in forums D:

Written by Professor Adog, 28.06.2014 at 01:56

Written by Guest, 27.06.2014 at 19:03

You wouldn't have made the map without the admins' help. And you could be banning innocent people, say someone who is Jewish bans a athiest for an example. Is the ban justified? Hell no.

In that case, mods would need to intervene. I am saying that map makers should be able to ban the: trolls, spammers, leavers and anyone who is snide to them. This does not mean i support map makers to be able to ban for racial hatred, or for retarded reasons like if the person does not ally a map maker in game. In that case mods must intervene.

(also I don't think the jews would ban people it would be the other way around If i was a racist map maker I'd ban jews, turks and bosnians first. But obviously i am not, I keep my political and racist opinions to myself when it comes to banning people.)

And yet you wanna ban people who have you ignored

Written by Professor Adog, 28.06.2014 at 04:32

Written by Meester, 28.06.2014 at 04:28

Written by Professor Adog, 28.06.2014 at 01:46

You barely have feelings.

I'm pretty sure mods who have no feelings, aren't supposed to post death threats in forums D:

I do not know who you are, or what you want. If you are looking for PCs, I can tell you I don't have any. But what I do have, is a particular set of privileges, privileges that make me a nightmare to people like you. Apologize now and that will be the end of it. I will not mute you, I will not ban you. But if you don't, I will ban you. And I will perma-ban you.

Written by Professor Adog, 28.06.2014 at 01:46

Written by Columna Durruti, 27.06.2014 at 22:41

Written by Professor Adog, 27.06.2014 at 18:36

Ok, ewe/epic win (sorry bae) and all you mods do you make high quality maps ? Why don't you sit there for hours drawing the map of Europe from scratch. Go ahead. GO FUCKING AHEAD.

https://atwar-game.com/users/profile.php?user_id=117047
Got 12 published maps (made from scratch!) and other 5 unpublished maps. Check the showcase section of the forum.
Would love to say "screw my dick, fuck off and die"... but will keep it diplomatic: don't be arrogant and start recognizing that there are different opinions by other map-makers. Just because I'm not posing around with maps/scenarios, does not mean that I do not have the RIGHT to talk about the issues discussed. Maps/scenarios are of public interest and, thus, have to be managed carefully.

That's not what i am saying. I am saying that people do not understand how we feel until they do what we do. They can discuss, but they cannot understand our viewpoint until they truly become map makers. Also, you guys are mods, if you're going to say *i made maps yet I do not feel this* well that doesn't really count, as you are mods. You barely have feelings.

Ohh Adog... Doesn't really help the cause. Before becoming mod I was a normal nooby player (still am!) and a map-maker... actually one of the best map background designers and border drawers in AW. Don't come with this BS "well that doesn't really count, as you are mods". Don't insult yourself with this crap.

Written by Columna Durruti, 28.06.2014 at 08:23

Ohh Adog... Doesn't really help the cause. Before becoming mod I was a normal nooby player (still am!) and a map-maker... actually one of the best map background designers and border drawers in AW. Don't come with this BS "well that doesn't really count, as you are mods". Don't insult yourself with this crap.

Well...you rarely play. And no one really dares to insult you so you cannot understand how we feel. Also, mods are chosen because they apparently care about people, so clearly you are of them social liberals. So you will always be against logic.

EDIT: I had a look at your maps for one of the "best border drawers" i am slightly disappointed.

Written by Professor Adog, 28.06.2014 at 08:32

Written by Columna Durruti, 28.06.2014 at 08:23

Ohh Adog... Doesn't really help the cause. Before becoming mod I was a normal nooby player (still am!) and a map-maker... actually one of the best map background designers and border drawers in AW. Don't come with this BS "well that doesn't really count, as you are mods". Don't insult yourself with this crap.

Well...you rarely play. And no one really dares to insult you so you cannot understand how we feel. Also, mods are chosen because they apparently care about people, so clearly you are of them social liberals. So you will always be against logic.

EDIT: I had a look at your maps for one of the "best border drawers" i am slightly disappointed.

I don't know exactly what you are comparing them too because they are far far better than yours. Nearly all your maps are outright default map clones of clones of other peoples work. All you did for the default map was add boxes and cities and for the GGG you just added a few countries. Your napoleon map is not even special, all those countries had fixed historic borders. Europe kept good record of the borders during this period and yet you still made a number of mistakes.