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Posted by Aetius, 22.08.2016 - 10:29
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Ok I am officially ending the game, sorry that there will be no Grand Finale. None of the Triumvirs except Sertorius wanted civil war. However, the other two guys got absurdly angry at me. One has even blocked me, and imo has begun to take this game way too personally. I don't want to lose friends over a forum game, this is literally the only reason why I am now stopping. Also, a good lesson as to why you keep IC and OOC separate. ....Although in a way I see it as a success I got people to be this emotionally invested in a forum game

gg all, let us now remember the great legends of the roman families

Triumvir Families - these 3 have reached the apex of power, although shared
Gens Sertorii
The Sertorii are an old and powerful family that has been influential in politics and later on in war against the Numidians, Parthians and were regarded as superior naval commanders. They have had 6 consulships, numerous prosecutions, and were always a controlling force behind the populares movement. In the late republic Flavius became the most influential, and arguably strongest of the 3 triumvirs as ruler of the west.

Gens Maria
The Marians are a very old family that was highly regarded for their religious positions. Over the course of roman history they have held a stunning 7 consulships and 1 dictatorship. Much of marian history has been military oriented, known for defeating the Seleucids at Magnesia in early times. In the mid republic they were leaders of the populare movement but were assassinated when political tensions rose, temporarily weakening the family allowing the Sertorii to take control of the party. Later, the ambitious Gaius Marius Maximus became the youngest ever dictator defeating the Socii revolt, and after defeating the massive pontic forces in Greece declared the revolt against the corrupt senate with the aid of Sertori and and Rexians. After Quintus Sertorius died however the rivalry between his son Flavius and Gaius Marius Maximus became more pronounced as they were the two ambitious leaders of the populares and resented each other.

Gens Rexii
The Rexii have consistently been a presence in roman politics, having held 6 consulships and countless other positions. The Rexii are regarded as extremely skilled politicians having risen from former disgrace to great influence and wealth as a founding member of the populares. The Rexii do have a reputation of being greedy, yet their wealth bought them power that can now no longer be denied as rulers of the eastern provinces.


Winning Families- these families picked the right side and successfully navigated the roman game of thrones to high positions of power

Gens Flavii
Of all the families in Rome, the Flavii are the most well regarded among wealthy equites. Long ago this was not the case, but following the downfall of the Numetorii, the Flavii inherited much of the wealth of the Ripam Alexandrie and begun their own steady rise to 2 consulships and numerous censorships and praetorships. Aligning with the populares the Flavii became the political centerpiece of the movement as they secured such influence among the equite class that their power in the senate became overwhelming. Ever after they were given the surname of Cato, meaning wise. And wise they have been, supporting the right side becoming rich and powerful.

Gens Nipii
The Nipii emerged from obscurity in the punic wars, being used as master of horse for less competent dictators. However, in the end they secured their own command becoming heroes of the republic after defeating Hannibal at Cannae. This fame was long lasting but in the mid republic their fortunes began to dwindle as legions loyal to the Nipii were destroyed in the numerous wars. A founding member of the populares, the Nipii have been loyal partisans and this has kept them from sinking lower. Decius began to reverse these fortunes as being part of the battle of Rome and then following Sertorius into the west becoming his heir. The Nipii may rise once again…

Gens Octavii
A wealthy and influential political family, the Octavii were strong allies of the sertorii, and they aided each other's rise. The Octavii had numerous connections throughout the city of Rome among the equites, and were commonly the Praetor, but also have secured Consulship twice in history as well as governorships in cisalpine gaul. The Octavii carefully maneuvered the dangerous political battlefield, never have been assassinated, always working from within the shadows to emerge on top.

Gens Marcii
The family history of the Marcii is a winding but tragic one as well. Over the course of history they have influential, holding 4 consulships and their most famous moment was commanding the sack of Carthage, however Africanus fell to a plague and was later utterly disgraced by being implicated in treasonous plot with the Antonines. Rising from this misfortune they switched parties to the Populares and became a decisive element in the civil war by granting support in return for rule over the Asian provinces. But once again, the head of the family died, this time in battle, reducing the family to mediocrity.

Gens Paulli
The Paulli are a notoriously wealthy but also greedy roman family. They rose to power after falling out with Potestatem party by making deals with the Populares to rule wealthy provinces as long as they turned a blind eye to their corruption. Amassing huge sums, the Paulli were never in Rome for most of their history. But this is not to say they are without merit, for they helped bring roman civilization to cisalpine gaul, and were large bankrollers of the populare movement. In the civil war they grew more ambitious seeking military commands as admirals and growing closer to the Sertorian faction.

At least I am still part of the wealthy 1% Tier
Gens Numetorii
A once more powerful family in the early republic and leader of the notable third party, ripam alexandrie, the untimely death of the head of the family ended this movement. Later on, the Numetorii aligned themselves with Potestatem, but their high status was degraded by being on the losing side of the civil war. The Numetorii have held 4 Consulships, numerous other political positions and were known as saviors of Rome from the Germans and victors against the notorious Viriathus in their brightest moment.

Gens Caetronii
The Caetronii have always been defenders of the roman state, military leaders, above political factionalism. Over the course of history they have held 5 consulships and 1 dictatorship. The Caetronii were known as victors over gauls in early times, but were most influential in the mid republic reaching an apex under Lucius who defeated the Spanish revolts as well as the pirates, guiding Rome through a turbulent political time as a neutral player. In the late republic their fortunes fell as Lucius grew old and his heirs could not defend the republic from the populares. Even so, the Caetronii are a continuing strong presence in the roman state.


At least I am not dead Tier
Gens Cornelli Scipiones
An old and active family, their fortunes rose to supreme heights in the early republic as conquers of Illyria and climaxed with their 1 consulship. Later though they were politically destroyed by the Populares and then fell into obscurity, and when Gnaeus began to rise he was struck down by plague. In the late republic Metellus was known as the most stalwart defender of the senate and fought until the last at Africa.

Gens Varii
From plebian origins, the Varii rose from the lower classes to the senate with the support of the Potestatem party (by giving them huge sums of money). The Varii reached their apex in a consulship with the Numetorii, after defeating a huge german horde in pannonia. After this moment of glory they began to fade as their wealth dried up and the Potestatem lost political power. After the battle of rome they surrendered to the populares but despite this were still executed due to hatred against them from the Marians. Even so, the Varii have not been utterly destroyed as the family still lives on as their recent son has been spared by the now more merciful populare senate due to the passage of time.

Gens Pedii
Plebians like the Varii, the Pedii rose to political relevance in a dangerous political era. With civil war imminent, they were thrust into hard decisions. A marriage alliance almost occurred with the Rexii potentially earning the favor of the populares but this ultimately broken down and the Pedii backed the Senate to their ultimate doom. Despite donating their entire fortune to the senatorial cause, this was not enough as the senatorial forces failed three times in battle. Escaping from the populare onslaught as governer of narbonese Gaul, the Pedii were finally captured after the Senatorial defeat in Africa and exiled.

Losers - families fallen from power, or traitors, or extinct
Gens Antonia, Gens Phoenicii, Gens Maximii , other people who have dropped out

18.09.2016 - 16:45
 JF.
Written by MrArmy987, 18.09.2016 at 16:39

Who will command the 2 armies of the Germanic Migrations?
Did rules force you to chose 2 people from same Faction? if so, boo.


no but i did have to put both factions
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18.09.2016 - 16:45
Written by Darth., 18.09.2016 at 16:37


I condemn the letters and praise the gods for carrying out righteous justice and killing phoenixking. I also call the Consuls idiots for not suggesting more governors to increase Rome's income and genuinely doubt the intelligence of the Potestatem government.


Again, not saying you're wrong, but we don't want to go throwing governorship around. Even Tunder being under prepared and weak was not a tiny rebellion. If multiple strong provinces rebelled together it would be the end of Rome one way or another.
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18.09.2016 - 16:46
 JF.
Written by Darth., 18.09.2016 at 16:40

Written by JF., 18.09.2016 at 16:39

Written by Darth., 18.09.2016 at 16:37



You are the one giving rome hefty fines due to land bills.

Hue the landbill was rescinded since it proved unpopular. And Rome has been receiving negative income because of Pavle siphoning off taxes.


so why would you call people benefiting Rome when you try to take its wealth away.
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18.09.2016 - 16:47
Written by JF., 18.09.2016 at 16:46

Written by Darth., 18.09.2016 at 16:40

Written by JF., 18.09.2016 at 16:39

Written by Darth., 18.09.2016 at 16:37



You are the one giving rome hefty fines due to land bills.

Hue the landbill was rescinded since it proved unpopular. And Rome has been receiving negative income because of Pavle siphoning off taxes.


so why would you call people benefiting Rome when you try to take its wealth away.

Landbills take money from state to give to the poor
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18.09.2016 - 16:48
 JF.
Written by Darth., 18.09.2016 at 16:47

Written by JF., 18.09.2016 at 16:46

Written by Darth., 18.09.2016 at 16:40

Written by JF., 18.09.2016 at 16:39

Written by Darth., 18.09.2016 at 16:37



You are the one giving rome hefty fines due to land bills.

Hue the landbill was rescinded since it proved unpopular. And Rome has been receiving negative income because of Pavle siphoning off taxes.


so why would you call people benefiting Rome when you try to take its wealth away.

Landbills take money from state to give to the poor


Captain obvious
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18.09.2016 - 16:48
Written by JF., 18.09.2016 at 16:45

Written by MrArmy987, 18.09.2016 at 16:39

Who will command the 2 armies of the Germanic Migrations?
Did rules force you to chose 2 people from same Faction? if so, boo.


no but i did have to put both factions


I just believe you should've split up the vote 1 person from each faction for either army in both votes. Recently I found that people are thinking more-so in terms of veteran legions now and that is almost guaranteed 2 veteran legions for a faction, so either you get 2 or the people you're trying to limit the power of gets 2.
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18.09.2016 - 16:49
Written by MrArmy987, 18.09.2016 at 16:45

Written by Darth., 18.09.2016 at 16:37


I condemn the letters and praise the gods for carrying out righteous justice and killing phoenixking. I also call the Consuls idiots for not suggesting more governors to increase Rome's income and genuinely doubt the intelligence of the Potestatem government.


Again, not saying you're wrong, but we don't want to go throwing governorship around. Even Tunder being under prepared and weak was not a tiny rebellion. If multiple strong provinces rebelled together it would be the end of Rome one way or another.

True. All the more reason to give Governorship equally between Populares, Potestatem and neutrals since only 1 person can revolt at a time. The faction can go join them however.
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18.09.2016 - 16:50
 JF.
Written by MrArmy987, 18.09.2016 at 16:48

Written by JF., 18.09.2016 at 16:45

Written by MrArmy987, 18.09.2016 at 16:39

Who will command the 2 armies of the Germanic Migrations?
Did rules force you to chose 2 people from same Faction? if so, boo.


no but i did have to put both factions


I just believe you should've split up the vote 1 person from each faction for either army in both votes. Recently I found that people are thinking more-so in terms of veteran legions now and that is almost guaranteed 2 veteran legions for a faction, so either you get 2 or the people you're trying to limit the power of gets 2.


I would rather fight along side a close ally than one i do not know.
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18.09.2016 - 16:50
Written by JF., 18.09.2016 at 16:48

Written by Darth., 18.09.2016 at 16:47

Written by JF., 18.09.2016 at 16:46

Written by Darth., 18.09.2016 at 16:40

Written by JF., 18.09.2016 at 16:39

Written by Darth., 18.09.2016 at 16:37



You are the one giving rome hefty fines due to land bills.

Hue the landbill was rescinded since it proved unpopular. And Rome has been receiving negative income because of Pavle siphoning off taxes.


so why would you call people benefiting Rome when you try to take its wealth away.

Landbills take money from state to give to the poor


Captain obvious

Wtf were you asking then? Correct your grammar pl0x
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18.09.2016 - 16:51
Also I'm changing my Governorship vote regarding Pavle from Nay to Aye
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18.09.2016 - 16:53
 JF.
Written by Darth., 18.09.2016 at 16:50

Written by JF., 18.09.2016 at 16:48

Written by Darth., 18.09.2016 at 16:47

Written by JF., 18.09.2016 at 16:46

Written by Darth., 18.09.2016 at 16:40

Written by JF., 18.09.2016 at 16:39

Written by Darth., 18.09.2016 at 16:37



You are the one giving rome hefty fines due to land bills.

Hue the landbill was rescinded since it proved unpopular. And Rome has been receiving negative income because of Pavle siphoning off taxes.


so why would you call people benefiting Rome when you try to take its wealth away.

Landbills take money from state to give to the poor


Captain obvious

Wtf were you asking then? Correct your grammar pl0x


This is the last time i will reply cause you suker people into these arguments.

You propsed a land bill that takes away from roman wealth.
You call people who do not gain wealth for rome.

I say you have tried taking away from romes wealth and you say what a land bill is to confirm what i said.
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18.09.2016 - 16:54
Written by Darth., 18.09.2016 at 16:49


True. All the more reason to give Governorship equally between Populares, Potestatem and neutrals since only 1 person can revolt at a time. The faction can go join them however.


I guess, but suppose I got governorship of Macedonia. I would immediately have 5 Auxiliaries, 1 evocati legion, 1 veteran legion, and if I had money stashed up I could make more that turn. 10 strength right off the bat and +5 from my command skill (I'm pretty sure it would be 10 not sure how the Auxiliaries work in unison with normal/veteran legions). Just seems dangerous for multiple people to be able to do that at once.
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18.09.2016 - 16:59
Written by JF., 18.09.2016 at 16:53

Written by Darth., 18.09.2016 at 16:50

Written by JF., 18.09.2016 at 16:48

Written by Darth., 18.09.2016 at 16:47

Written by JF., 18.09.2016 at 16:46

Written by Darth., 18.09.2016 at 16:40

Written by JF., 18.09.2016 at 16:39

Written by Darth., 18.09.2016 at 16:37



You are the one giving rome hefty fines due to land bills.

Hue the landbill was rescinded since it proved unpopular. And Rome has been receiving negative income because of Pavle siphoning off taxes.


so why would you call people benefiting Rome when you try to take its wealth away.

Landbills take money from state to give to the poor


Captain obvious

Wtf were you asking then? Correct your grammar pl0x


This is the last time i will reply cause you suker people into these arguments.

You propsed a land bill that takes away from roman wealth.
You call people who do not gain wealth for rome.

I say you have tried taking away from romes wealth and you say what a land bill is to confirm what i said.

Last message, recall you were the one who started this argument, coming to the defense of a guy not even in your faction. Admirable, but hypocritical to say I started this thing.

I proposed landbill to reduce unrest and benefit the poor. When it proved unpopular I rescinded it voluntarily. Notice the part where I say voluntarily.
Pavle meanwhile has been extorting money from taxes without any benefit only harm to the poor.
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18.09.2016 - 18:12
Consul Vote
1) Sextus Varius (Meester) & Valens Phoenicus (Phoenix)

Censor Vote
2)Cassius Caelius (Safari)

Praetor Vote
1)Marco Flavius Cato Minor(Witch-Doctor)

Who will command the 2 armies of the Germanic Migrations?
Publius Numertorius (JF) and Sextus Varius (Meester) [Potestatem]

Reassign Andertius Paullus (Pavle ) to Governorship of Sicily? (proposal via pavle's tribune)
2)Nay

Force Deployments
1)split army to fight germans
1st army:
Legio II Lupus, Legio VII Aquila, Legio Evocati X Fulminata,Legio I Ex Nihilo +5 legions
2nd army:
Legio III Victrix , Legio XII Hispana, Legio XIII Invicta, Legio XI Libyca+ 6 legions

JF has a bonus fighting barbarians why anyone wouldn't vote him for fighting the migration is beyond me. With his bonuses we will suffer minimum loses, isn't this what everyone wants?
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19.09.2016 - 00:49
Consul Vote
1) Sextus Varius (Meester) & Valens Phoenicus (Phoenix)

Censor Vote
1)Publius Numertorius (JF)

Praetor Vote
1) Abstain

Who will command the 2 armies of the Germanic Migrations?
Publius Numertorius (JF) and Sextus Varius (Meester) [Potestatem]

Reassign Andertius Paullus (Pavle ) to Governorship of Sicily? (proposal via pavle's tribune)
1) aye (let him rebel, we can crush him)

Force Deployments
1)split army to fight germans
1st army:
Legio II Lupus, Legio VII Aquila, Legio Evocati X Fulminata,Legio I Ex Nihilo +5 legions
2nd army:
Legio III Victrix , Legio XII Hispana, Legio XIII Invicta, Legio XI Libyca+ 6 legions
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19.09.2016 - 01:23
Consul Vote
1) Sextus Varius (Meester) & Valens Phoenicus (Phoenix)

Censor Vote
2)Cassius Caelius (Safari)

Praetor Vote
1)Marco Flavius Cato Minor(Witch-Doctor)

Who will command the 2 armies of the Germanic Migrations?
1) Publius Numertorius (JF) and Sextus Varius (Meester) [Potestatem]

Reassign Andertius Paullus (Pavle ) to Governorship of Sicily? (proposal via pavle's tribune)
2)Nay

Force Deployments
1)split army to fight germans
1st army:
Legio II Lupus, Legio VII Aquila, Legio Evocati X Fulminata,Legio I Ex Nihilo +5 legions
2nd army:
Legio III Victrix , Legio XII Hispana, Legio XIII Invicta, Legio XI Libyca+ 6 legions
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19.09.2016 - 10:47
==Turn 16: Phase 3 has begun==
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19.09.2016 - 10:50
 JF.


The Gaul command is totalled wrong, unless im missing something.
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19.09.2016 - 10:57
 JF.
I'll take the Teutones

With 4 Vets 6 Legions
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19.09.2016 - 11:00
Written by JF., 19.09.2016 at 10:57

I'll take the Teutones

With 4 Vets 6 Legions


Ok meester will take the Cimbri with the 1st army, will pm you guys both more info
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19.09.2016 - 12:25
I halped Gauls, im so happy.
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19.09.2016 - 12:45
 Witch-Doctor (Mod)
Sorry I missed the vote, was incredibly busy yesterday.
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19.09.2016 - 20:39
==Turn 17: Phase 1 has begun==
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19.09.2016 - 21:05
 Witch-Doctor (Mod)
I suggest to the Consuls that I be sent to fight the seluecids. I failed to negotiate in egypt due to bs rolls so let me go kill that fool Antiochus IV.
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19.09.2016 - 21:10
 JF.
3 on Equite
5 to rome
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19.09.2016 - 21:11
Really not a great time to lose fleets
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19.09.2016 - 21:12
 Witch-Doctor (Mod)
12 to rome 1 equite
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19.09.2016 - 21:17
3 on equite 10 to rome
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19.09.2016 - 21:30
Host games
3 on equite
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19.09.2016 - 21:41
 Witch-Doctor (Mod)
We need a dictator bad since we have 5 active wars. I nominate Pyrrhus as dictator using my tribune.
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