Stole this: In WI, they have not even begun to count the absentee votes. There were 1.275mil requested. If Biden wins 2/3rd of these as he has in other places, that is 400K votes his way. He currently trails Trump by 80K votes.
In PA, only 670K absentee ballots have been counted. There were 2.5mil returned. The absentee ballots counted so far broke for Biden 71.7% and 21.3% for Trump. If this were to hold, among the 1.83mil ballots still uncounted, Biden would gain 922K votes. Biden currently trail Trump by 420K votes. This is far from over. It's just beginning.
In Michigan, 2.48mil absentee ballots were returned, and only 426K have been counted, leaving another ~2mil to count. The ones that were counted broke for Biden 65 to 33 percent, or in theory 640K vote difference for Biden over Trump. Trump's current lead over Biden in MI is 270K.
The thing is: most of the GOP would be happy to have Trump out of the picture. They don't like that they can't control him and they consider him a loose cannon. While Trump has overwhelming support from the rank-and-file, GOP leadership allied with him in 2016 purely out of convenience. Now they'll gladly knife him while he's vulnerable. If you think about it, a Biden presidency with GOP senate and courts is their wet dream. Bipartisan austerity & foreign wars. Plus, both parties can avoid accountability by whining about gridlock.
Sadly you're exactly right about this.
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All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer,
but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved.
--Sun Tzu
So you suggest to start a civil war as the confederates did when Lincoln won the elections in 1860?
We need another civil war.
The first one was about freedom vs slavery. Freedom won. The next one will be about freedom vs socialism.
If war comes, I will fight for the side of freedom anytime, anywhere.
freedom cannot be reconciled with the ultimate ends of technological progress. Eventually, most nations will end up like China as we integrate technology with human biology in which we all but become replaceable widgets... it is inevitable and it is not as though any political ideology favors this end. Whether you're a socialist or a classical liberal, the war is pre-determined assuming we continue on this path. The only alternative would be to somehow preserve our primitive organic makeup and somehow integrate it with a system of individual rights, but as I've discussed before that will require a degree of irrationality because there is no reason for our technology to preserve rights in light of other more important "human" needs .
Now THAT is the ideology we should pursue regardless of simple political ideals, even Elon Musk knows this. Elon Musk bought the company Neuralink to give "humans" a competitive advantage against technology via "developing the capabilities of the brain through technological augmentation." Perhaps humanity is not doomed, only time will tell... but whatever the case long live God Emperor Elon Musk
The first one was about freedom vs slavery. Freedom won. The next one will be about freedom vs socialism.
If war comes, I will fight for the side of freedom anytime, anywhere.
I somewhat don't see the conflict between socialism and freedom... call me stupid but those two words are far from irreconcilable... and there's more than enough examples for it. I'm starting to believe that USA thinks of socialism as some kind of dictatorship where instead of gasing jews, whites would be tortured to death.
Believing that a civil war is the answer to every little step is kinda worrisome but hey, at least Europe will have something to watch while having pop corn.
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Don't ever look down on someone unless you're helping him up. Don't ever treat someone else the way you wouldn't want others to treat you.
We're all people.
I somewhat don't see the conflict between socialism and freedom... call me stupid but those two words are far from irreconcilable... and there's more than enough examples for it. I'm starting to believe that USA thinks of socialism as some kind of dictatorship where instead of gasing jews, whites would be tortured to death.
Believing that a civil war is the answer to every little step is kinda worrisome but hey, at least Europe will have something to watch while having pop corn.
Socialism is slavery to the state. I don't want a government that dictates every detail of how I live my life. I don't want a government that says "hell yes we're taking your guns". I don't want a government that won't let me go to church but says marijuana shops are "essential". I don't want a government that's gonna take even more of the money I earn and make it impossible to survive as a business owner.
I don't want a government that says I can't drive my car "because of climate change". I don't want to live in a communist surveillance state, like China, where people are assigned "social credit" scores and are disappeared if they speak out. Biden voters don't seem to realize they just pissed away the country to a guy who thinks China is great, and to the political left who think places like Cuba and Venezuela are the models for what the US should be. If that's not enough reasons to fight for freedom, I don't know what is.
----
All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer,
but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved.
--Sun Tzu
So you suggest to start a civil war as the confederates did when Lincoln won the elections in 1860?
We need another civil war.
The first one was about freedom vs slavery. Freedom won. The next one will be about freedom vs socialism.
If war comes, I will fight for the side of freedom anytime, anywhere.
What the fuck? Another civil war in the United States would have hundreds of thousands of casualties, why would you even want that? You keep saying this election is a fraud, but where is the evidence? Not even the Trump administration came up with any!
"Alleging that its poll watchers were not being allowed to properly observe the vote count, as previously granted, the Trump campaign filed a federal lawsuit Thursday evening intending to stop the Philadelphia vote count. A judge ultimately denied this request."
"The Trump campaign filed a lawsuit along with the Georgia Republican Party Wednesday in Chatham County seeking to order the county to compile, store and account for all ballots received after the state's deadline of 7 p.m. on Election Day. Chatham County Judge James Bass dismissed the suit during a hearing on Thursday morning, citing a lack of evidence that the ballots referenced in the petition were received after the deadline.
"On Friday, Judge Cynthia Stephens issued her formal order denying the Trump campaign's request to halt counting in Wayne County, which includes Detroit, specifically citing the lack of evidence and detail provided by the campaign."
"On Thursday, the Trump campaign announced it was filing a lawsuit in federal court in Clark County over voter fraud. The lawsuit, filed later that day by Nevada GOP groups, alleged that "lax procedures for authenticating mail-in ballots over 3,000 instances of ineligible individuals casting ballots." A Nevada district court judge denied the emergency request Friday afternoon. Judge James Gordon said he didn't think the plaintiffs came to the court with "sufficient evidence" to get what is required of the "extraordinary relief of an injunction" that would get him to "dictate how Clark County should do their job.""
"A judge in Michigan Thursday afternoon said she would deny a plea from the Trump campaign to stop the processing and counting of absentee ballots in the state, mainly citing the fact that the counting is already largely done. The lawsuit is trying to stop the vote count based on allegations that the campaign was not given adequate access to observe the vote-counting process. It is also seeking access to review any ballots that have already been opened which they were unable to witness. Michigan law requires absentee ballot processing be a bipartisan process. The judge also took issue with the evidence presented by the campaign, arguing that the affidavit upon which the suit was based, was "at best" hearsay."
It's almost like a simple Google search can prove you wrong?
Source- (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/election-2020-trump-campaign-election-lawsuits-stand/story?id=74041748)
And before you say "hurr durr this is a left leaning news site, biased" it's literally all facts and quotes straight from the campaigns and judges. Here's the same story from Fox, a right leaning site:
(https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-campaign-ballot-counting-lawsuits-what-to-know ; https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-election-lawsuits-grant-woods)
Earlier in this forum, you posted a picture showing how Michigan gained 130,000 votes overnight while Trump gained 0. That is false.
Here are three different news stories debunking that-
(https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54811410 ; https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/11/4/21549710/biden-michigan-votes-trump-retweet-election-map ; https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/verify/verify-no-130000-biden-votes-not-dumped-michigan/507-d751e405-14c5-4bf1-8b61-eacce9f38409)
If Trump's family's claims of voter fraud are true, they are doing a terrible job at proving it. Biden has won the 2020 election by 4 million voters, and a complete count of 74 million Americans. As said by a republican on the conservative reddit forum, "I hope that he succeeds, because I hope our country succeeds."
What the fuck? Another civil war in the United States would have hundreds of thousands of casualties, why would you even want that? You keep saying this election is a fraud, but where is the evidence? Not even the Trump administration came up with any!
"Alleging that its poll watchers were not being allowed to properly observe the vote count, as previously granted, the Trump campaign filed a federal lawsuit Thursday evening intending to stop the Philadelphia vote count. A judge ultimately denied this request."
"The Trump campaign filed a lawsuit along with the Georgia Republican Party Wednesday in Chatham County seeking to order the county to compile, store and account for all ballots received after the state's deadline of 7 p.m. on Election Day. Chatham County Judge James Bass dismissed the suit during a hearing on Thursday morning, citing a lack of evidence that the ballots referenced in the petition were received after the deadline.
"On Friday, Judge Cynthia Stephens issued her formal order denying the Trump campaign's request to halt counting in Wayne County, which includes Detroit, specifically citing the lack of evidence and detail provided by the campaign."
"On Thursday, the Trump campaign announced it was filing a lawsuit in federal court in Clark County over voter fraud. The lawsuit, filed later that day by Nevada GOP groups, alleged that "lax procedures for authenticating mail-in ballots over 3,000 instances of ineligible individuals casting ballots." A Nevada district court judge denied the emergency request Friday afternoon. Judge James Gordon said he didn't think the plaintiffs came to the court with "sufficient evidence" to get what is required of the "extraordinary relief of an injunction" that would get him to "dictate how Clark County should do their job.""
"A judge in Michigan Thursday afternoon said she would deny a plea from the Trump campaign to stop the processing and counting of absentee ballots in the state, mainly citing the fact that the counting is already largely done. The lawsuit is trying to stop the vote count based on allegations that the campaign was not given adequate access to observe the vote-counting process. It is also seeking access to review any ballots that have already been opened which they were unable to witness. Michigan law requires absentee ballot processing be a bipartisan process. The judge also took issue with the evidence presented by the campaign, arguing that the affidavit upon which the suit was based, was "at best" hearsay."
It's almost like a simple Google search can prove you wrong?
Source- (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/election-2020-trump-campaign-election-lawsuits-stand/story?id=74041748)
And before you say "hurr durr this is a left leaning news site, biased" it's literally all facts and quotes straight from the campaigns and judges. Here's the same story from Fox, a right leaning site:
(https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-campaign-ballot-counting-lawsuits-what-to-know ; https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-election-lawsuits-grant-woods)
Earlier in this forum, you posted a picture showing how Michigan gained 130,000 votes overnight while Trump gained 0. That is false.
Here are three different news stories debunking that-
(https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54811410 ; https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/11/4/21549710/biden-michigan-votes-trump-retweet-election-map ; https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/verify/verify-no-130000-biden-votes-not-dumped-michigan/507-d751e405-14c5-4bf1-8b61-eacce9f38409)
If Trump's family's claims of voter fraud are true, they are doing a terrible job at proving it. Biden has won the 2020 election by 4 million voters, and a complete count of 74 million Americans. As said by a republican on the conservative reddit forum, "I hope that he succeeds, because I hope our country succeeds."
Are you kidding? There is plenty of evidence of vote fraud all around us. The left (I.e. the mainstream media and their "fact checkers" ) reflexively say there is "no evidence" as if it were gospel. They are fucking blind. I'll give just a few examples, but there are many more if you care to look.
(an anecdotal story here -- my father-in-law works for the post office. A woman came into the post office the day after election day, asking to have a ballot postmarked with the previous day's date. He refused to do it, and she left, but I wonder how many other postal workers are as honest...)
I could go on, but suffice to say there is plenty of evidence out there, except many refuse to see it.
You mentioned several lawsuits being thrown out by local judges, but that's irrelevant since 1) they are probably democrat judges, and 2) this is very likely going up to the Supreme Court very soon, and its just a formality that the Trump campaign has to start at the local level... it will move up the chain very quickly and its only the Supreme Court that will matter. 3) Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito already ordered Pennsylvania to separate the late ballots, so clearly they are preparing for the case to arrive. https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2020/11/06/supreme-court-justice-alito-orders-pennsylvania-mail-in-ballots-that-arrived-after-election-day-be-kept-separate/
ALSO: a "simple google search" will not find you many of these things. I had to use Bing and DuckDuckGo just now to find these links. Google is actively scrubbing their search results in favor of Biden. When I tried just now searching for these stories I'd heard about recently, Google would give only anti-Trump, left-leaning stories, or random bullshit.
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All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer,
but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved.
--Sun Tzu
Socialism is slavery to the state. I don't want a government that dictates every detail of how I live my life. I don't want a government that says "hell yes we're taking your guns". I don't want a government that won't let me go to church but says marijuana shops are "essential". I don't want a government that's gonna take even more of the money I earn and make it impossible to survive as a business owner.
I don't want a government that says I can't drive my car "because of climate change". I don't want to live in a communist surveillance state, like China, where people are assigned "social credit" scores and are disappeared if they speak out. Biden voters don't seem to realize they just pissed away the country to a guy who thinks China is great, and to the political left who think places like Cuba and Venezuela are the models for what the US should be. If that's not enough reasons to fight for freedom, I don't know what is.
I think you're confusing "socialism" with "fascism", "totalitarianism", "dictatorship". Going all the way to confuse China's strange kinda-communist military dictatorship with "socialism" is kinda akward.
Socialism is just the economic mentality, not the decision taking machinery behind it. Idk if I should even look up the dictionary definition for you at this point. Anyway, don't worry, USA is still really really far away from such economic policy.
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Don't ever look down on someone unless you're helping him up. Don't ever treat someone else the way you wouldn't want others to treat you.
We're all people.
I somewhat don't see the conflict between socialism and freedom... call me stupid but those two words are far from irreconcilable... and there's more than enough examples for it. I'm starting to believe that USA thinks of socialism as some kind of dictatorship where instead of gasing jews, whites would be tortured to death.
Believing that a civil war is the answer to every little step is kinda worrisome but hey, at least Europe will have something to watch while having pop corn.
Socialism is slavery to the state. I don't want a government that dictates every detail of how I live my life. I don't want a government that says "hell yes we're taking your guns". I don't want a government that won't let me go to church but says marijuana shops are "essential". I don't want a government that's gonna take even more of the money I earn and make it impossible to survive as a business owner.
I don't want a government that says I can't drive my car "because of climate change". I don't want to live in a communist surveillance state, like China, where people are assigned "social credit" scores and are disappeared if they speak out. Biden voters don't seem to realize they just pissed away the country to a guy who thinks China is great, and to the political left who think places like Cuba and Venezuela are the models for what the US should be. If that's not enough reasons to fight for freedom, I don't know what is.
I think you are confusing socialism with communism or dictatorship. As I was following campaigns, I noticed that Trump was focusing his whole campaign on fight against "socialism". Clearly, most of Americans do not even know the meaning of the word "socialism", and that's why his campaign clearly worked out. For Americans, word "socialism" is clearly the association for Cold war, China, Cuba, Venezuela.... These 3 countries are FAR from socialist countries. Sweden and the rest of northern European countries are socialist countries (countries of social democracy, which is the most socialist you can get in 21st century), and believe me, Sweden is not China, nor Cuba...
Trump is hard on words, as he always was. I remember him complaining against Ted Cruz for "stealing" some 2016 primaries.... Then, he was complaining about how Hillary Clinton "stole" popular victory... IF he really had any proof of electoral fraud, he would not just tweet, rather fight in court against it. His tweets where he orders for counts to stop were confusing aswell... Biden has been having around 10% advantage on country level on all polls (even in pro-Trump polls, he had 5/6%), which is an additional proof that there is no chance of any electoral fraud happening. Trump just can't accept defeat.
Best wishes to Americans from Europe. Don't worry guys, you are really far from any dictatorship...
"We should announce there's going to be American casualties. We should go to Belgrade and we should have a Japanese-German style occupation of that country." pedo Joe Biden
"I was suggesting we bomb belgrade" may 1998 Joe Biden
"All Serbs should be put in Nazi-Style concentration camps" — Joe Biden
"All Serbs should be put in Nazi concentration camps. Serbs are illiterate degenerates, baby killers, butchers and rapists. " Joe Biden
What the fuck? Another civil war in the United States would have hundreds of thousands of casualties, why would you even want that? You keep saying this election is a fraud, but where is the evidence? Not even the Trump administration came up with any!
"Alleging that its poll watchers were not being allowed to properly observe the vote count, as previously granted, the Trump campaign filed a federal lawsuit Thursday evening intending to stop the Philadelphia vote count. A judge ultimately denied this request."
"The Trump campaign filed a lawsuit along with the Georgia Republican Party Wednesday in Chatham County seeking to order the county to compile, store and account for all ballots received after the state's deadline of 7 p.m. on Election Day. Chatham County Judge James Bass dismissed the suit during a hearing on Thursday morning, citing a lack of evidence that the ballots referenced in the petition were received after the deadline.
"On Friday, Judge Cynthia Stephens issued her formal order denying the Trump campaign's request to halt counting in Wayne County, which includes Detroit, specifically citing the lack of evidence and detail provided by the campaign."
"On Thursday, the Trump campaign announced it was filing a lawsuit in federal court in Clark County over voter fraud. The lawsuit, filed later that day by Nevada GOP groups, alleged that "lax procedures for authenticating mail-in ballots over 3,000 instances of ineligible individuals casting ballots." A Nevada district court judge denied the emergency request Friday afternoon. Judge James Gordon said he didn't think the plaintiffs came to the court with "sufficient evidence" to get what is required of the "extraordinary relief of an injunction" that would get him to "dictate how Clark County should do their job.""
"A judge in Michigan Thursday afternoon said she would deny a plea from the Trump campaign to stop the processing and counting of absentee ballots in the state, mainly citing the fact that the counting is already largely done. The lawsuit is trying to stop the vote count based on allegations that the campaign was not given adequate access to observe the vote-counting process. It is also seeking access to review any ballots that have already been opened which they were unable to witness. Michigan law requires absentee ballot processing be a bipartisan process. The judge also took issue with the evidence presented by the campaign, arguing that the affidavit upon which the suit was based, was "at best" hearsay."
It's almost like a simple Google search can prove you wrong?
Source- (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/election-2020-trump-campaign-election-lawsuits-stand/story?id=74041748)
And before you say "hurr durr this is a left leaning news site, biased" it's literally all facts and quotes straight from the campaigns and judges. Here's the same story from Fox, a right leaning site:
(https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-campaign-ballot-counting-lawsuits-what-to-know ; https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-election-lawsuits-grant-woods)
Earlier in this forum, you posted a picture showing how Michigan gained 130,000 votes overnight while Trump gained 0. That is false.
Here are three different news stories debunking that-
(https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54811410 ; https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/11/4/21549710/biden-michigan-votes-trump-retweet-election-map ; https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/verify/verify-no-130000-biden-votes-not-dumped-michigan/507-d751e405-14c5-4bf1-8b61-eacce9f38409)
If Trump's family's claims of voter fraud are true, they are doing a terrible job at proving it. Biden has won the 2020 election by 4 million voters, and a complete count of 74 million Americans. As said by a republican on the conservative reddit forum, "I hope that he succeeds, because I hope our country succeeds."
Are you kidding? There is plenty of evidence of vote fraud all around us. The left (I.e. the mainstream media and their "fact checkers" ) reflexively say there is "no evidence" as if it were gospel. They are fucking blind. I'll give just a few examples, but there are many more if you care to look.
(an anecdotal story here -- my father-in-law works for the post office. A woman came into the post office the day after election day, asking to have a ballot postmarked with the previous day's date. He refused to do it, and she left, but I wonder how many other postal workers are as honest...)
I could go on, but suffice to say there is plenty of evidence out there, except many refuse to see it.
You mentioned several lawsuits being thrown out by local judges, but that's irrelevant since 1) they are probably democrat judges, and 2) this is very likely going up to the Supreme Court very soon, and its just a formality that the Trump campaign has to start at the local level... it will move up the chain very quickly and its only the Supreme Court that will matter. 3) Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito already ordered Pennsylvania to separate the late ballots, so clearly they are preparing for the case to arrive. https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2020/11/06/supreme-court-justice-alito-orders-pennsylvania-mail-in-ballots-that-arrived-after-election-day-be-kept-separate/
ALSO: a "simple google search" will not find you many of these things. I had to use Bing and DuckDuckGo just now to find these links. Google is actively scrubbing their search results in favor of Biden. When I tried just now searching for these stories I'd heard about recently, Google would give only anti-Trump, left-leaning stories, or random bullshit.
On point #1: I'd like to point out that the math doesn't really work out. Last I heard, Biden was winning by ~4 million votes... if every single state's system glitched(or has an accidental bug(which means it's replicatable) or someone tampered with them) and gave 6k Trump votes to Biden.... there'd be 300k more Trump votes. So assuming that the 'glitch' story(I hate the word glitch. It's used incorrectly a lot) is true, Biden would still be winning by 3.7 million votes. Meaning that, overall, voting systems having malfunctions cannot solely explain any vote count discrepancies, and would need to be paired with a large number of other large and provable voting fraud cases.
Without reading the articles provided, 2 and 3 should be looked into. As someone who ranks Trump at 0/10 and Biden at 1/10, I would most definitely look into that given there's enough proof. Not having researched it, I don't have an opinion on it.
The article provided in #4 says the guy is anonymous(easy cover-up, and slightly suspicious)... and has zero evidence that it is true. Also, the fact that "fraud is more the rule than the exception" destroys any real power the article could provide. Basically, it says that either both sides are doing it.... in which case we can't get Dems in trouble without hurting the Reps about the same..... or that one side or the other is an absolute oppressive vote-faking horror, which makes no sense because neither side wins every single race and no one side is always at the top. Remember the Mtn Dew naming contest? The one where "Hitler did nothing wrong" had trillions of votes? I'm not seeing that kind of fraud here, and if you're gonna troll or fake votes, you don't stop at a few million. If you can do that much, you do billions at least. Power is approximately balanced. Basically, that one phrase entirely disproves the whole articles.
There does appear to be evidence of some voter fraud, but there is not evidence of fraud at the scale that Trump thinks there is.
"We should announce there's going to be American casualties. We should go to Belgrade and we should have a Japanese-German style occupation of that country." pedo Joe Biden
"I was suggesting we bomb belgrade" may 1998 Joe Biden
"All Serbs should be put in Nazi-Style concentration camps" — Joe Biden
"All Serbs should be put in Nazi concentration camps. Serbs are illiterate degenerates, baby killers, butchers and rapists. " Joe Biden
But are we forgetting that Trump has admitted to being okay with raping women, has said he'd date his own daughter, has supported racism to varying degrees and is also very racist towards the Chinese and Hispanic peoples? We have a pair of asshole toddlers in this competition. Just remember that neither man should be anywhere except prison.
I think you're confusing "socialism" with "fascism", "totalitarianism", "dictatorship". Going all the way to confuse China's strange kinda-communist military dictatorship with "socialism" is kinda akward.
Socialism is just the economic mentality, not the decision taking machinery behind it. Idk if I should even look up the dictionary definition for you at this point. Anyway, don't worry, USA is still really really far away from such economic policy.
They call themselves "socialists" here to sound softer, but they are not the same as European socialists like you are thinking of. They are really communists, if you want an accurate definition. I'm just using the term socialist because that's how they describe themselves here.
----
All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer,
but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved.
--Sun Tzu
I somewhat don't see the conflict between socialism and freedom... call me stupid but those two words are far from irreconcilable... and there's more than enough examples for it. I'm starting to believe that USA thinks of socialism as some kind of dictatorship where instead of gasing jews, whites would be tortured to death.
Believing that a civil war is the answer to every little step is kinda worrisome but hey, at least Europe will have something to watch while having pop corn.
Socialism is slavery to the state. I don't want a government that dictates every detail of how I live my life. I don't want a government that says "hell yes we're taking your guns". I don't want a government that won't let me go to church but says marijuana shops are "essential". I don't want a government that's gonna take even more of the money I earn and make it impossible to survive as a business owner.
I don't want a government that says I can't drive my car "because of climate change". I don't want to live in a communist surveillance state, like China, where people are assigned "social credit" scores and are disappeared if they speak out. Biden voters don't seem to realize they just pissed away the country to a guy who thinks China is great, and to the political left who think places like Cuba and Venezuela are the models for what the US should be. If that's not enough reasons to fight for freedom, I don't know what is.
In my country (netherlands) we have the following political parties:
SP (socialistic party) 10% votes > democratic socialism
GL (GreenLeft) 10% votes > environmentalism
PVDA (Workers party) 8% votes > social democracy
CDA (Christian democratic party) 15% votes > Christian democracy
PVV (Party for freedom) 15% votes > nationalism
D66 (democrats) 15% votes > liberal progressive
VVD (liberals) 21% votes > conservative liberalism
Liberal in europe = right wing in USA
social in europe = left wing in USA
In no fucking country in Europe a government would ever say u are not allowed to go to church. There is a thing called freedom of religion. Which is not ideology based. In Netherlands a lot of things are allowed, you can say, do, work, buy, as you please. The country is even a tax haven. But as you can see most parties here are socialistic based. This has got to do with social democracy and the German wirtschaftswunder. This is based on the idea that you have a capitalism in USA and communism in USSR. The germans made their own model and thats social democracy. This model is now used as an example for the whole world, from Asia to Americas, to Africa. The EU is based on this model as well.
From my understanding, the left in USA always use these social democracies such as Denmark/ Sweden/ Norway as an example of how a country should be run. Travel to these countries or read about them and you will notice there is no such thing as communism.
A social democratic state means that the government is responsible for things that the market cannot provide/ will lead to failure. This is called market failure. Examples are, health care, education, water control (dykes), air pollution. These are all examples whereas if u let the market do its own thing, it will result in unwanted effects.
In many European cities, you cannot drive with a gas car into the centre, because of environment rules etc. In other cases, such as Florence/ venice, you cannot drive with a car to the city. In Amsterdam, many motor vehicles older than X year cannot drive into the city. The government isnt doing this to control you. The government is doing this to control the negative effects of certain markets. Too many cars = pollution = traffic jam, furthermore cars have the effect to damage buildings. In Europe, especially southern Europe, you have old buildings.
To sum up. Communism = bad , Socialism to a certain degree , such as social democracy is good, because you will prevent market failures.
Education: Western europe > USA
Health care: Western europe > USA
Infrastructure: Western europe > USA
Environmental/ waterprotection : Western europe > USA (remember Katrina)
Work environment: Western europe > USA ( germany average workweek 26 hours per week , USA 34 hours per week)
Poverty rates: USA higher poverty rates than western europe: USA 17.8%, denmark 5.8%, Netherlands 8.8%.
Incarnation rate: dont even get me started on this one
Homocide rates: USA having 5x as many
Gun related violence: dont get me started on this one.
I think you or anyone should get my point.
In historical terms, the governments main job is to provide security, aka it has a contract with its civilian. Nowadays, because of our complex societies, the government is much more than that. And because of market failures, there has to be socialism in place. Even the USA did always have forms of socialism in its governments. Was it not Bush who put forward TARP to bailout banks? (form of socialism)
Do not make the mistake to put all forms of socialism as communism or totalitarism. North Korea is a totalitarian state. China is a pseudo- communistic one party- state.
A pure capitalistic system just like Adam Smiths view does not work. Just like communism does not work. Markets will fail. There is no incentive to help the elderly, the sick, the weak, the helpless, the poor.
In my country (netherlands) we have the following political parties:
SP (socialistic party) 10% votes > democratic socialism
GL (GreenLeft) 10% votes > environmentalism
PVDA (Workers party) 8% votes > social democracy
CDA (Christian democratic party) 15% votes > Christian democracy
PVV (Party for freedom) 15% votes > nationalism
D66 (democrats) 15% votes > liberal progressive
VVD (liberals) 21% votes > conservative liberalism
Liberal in europe = right wing in USA
social in europe = left wing in USA
In no fucking country in Europe a government would ever say u are not allowed to go to church. There is a thing called freedom of religion. Which is not ideology based. In Netherlands a lot of things are allowed, you can say, do, work, buy, as you please. The country is even a tax haven. But as you can see most parties here are socialistic based. This has got to do with social democracy and the German wirtschaftswunder. This is based on the idea that you have a capitalism in USA and communism in USSR. The germans made their own model and thats social democracy. This model is now used as an example for the whole world, from Asia to Americas, to Africa. The EU is based on this model as well.
From my understanding, the left in USA always use these social democracies such as Denmark/ Sweden/ Norway as an example of how a country should be run. Travel to these countries or read about them and you will notice there is no such thing as communism.
A social democratic state means that the government is responsible for things that the market cannot provide/ will lead to failure. This is called market failure. Examples are, health care, education, water control (dykes), air pollution. These are all examples whereas if u let the market do its own thing, it will result in unwanted effects.
In many European cities, you cannot drive with a gas car into the centre, because of environment rules etc. In other cases, such as Florence/ venice, you cannot drive with a car to the city. In Amsterdam, many motor vehicles older than X year cannot drive into the city. The government isnt doing this to control you. The government is doing this to control the negative effects of certain markets. Too many cars = pollution = traffic jam, furthermore cars have the effect to damage buildings. In Europe, especially southern Europe, you have old buildings.
To sum up. Communism = bad , Socialism to a certain degree , such as social democracy is good, because you will prevent market failures.
Education: Western europe > USA
Health care: Western europe > USA
Infrastructure: Western europe > USA
Environmental/ waterprotection : Western europe > USA (remember Katrina)
Work environment: Western europe > USA ( germany average workweek 26 hours per week , USA 34 hours per week)
Poverty rates: USA higher poverty rates than western europe: USA 17.8%, denmark 5.8%, Netherlands 8.8%.
Incarnation rate: dont even get me started on this one
Homocide rates: USA having 5x as many
Gun related violence: dont get me started on this one.
I think you or anyone should get my point.
In historical terms, the governments main job is to provide security, aka it has a contract with its civilian. Nowadays, because of our complex societies, the government is much more than that. And because of market failures, there has to be socialism in place. Even the USA did always have forms of socialism in its governments. Was it not Bush who put forward TARP to bailout banks? (form of socialism)
Do not make the mistake to put all forms of socialism as communism or totalitarism. North Korea is a totalitarian state. China is a pseudo- communistic one party- state.
A pure capitalistic system just like Adam Smiths view does not work. Just like communism does not work. Markets will fail. There is no incentive to help the elderly, the sick, the weak, the helpless, the poor.
American socialism != European socialism. In America socialism is a code word for communism. Our country is now in the control of people who honeymooned in the USSR (Bernie Sanders), people who are card-carrying members of the Communist Party USA (AOC), etc. Antifa, BLM, all those anarchist groups are on their side. They hate America and want to destroy it so they can create their communist utopia.
Biden is moderate compared to these people, but nobody believes he will actually be in control. I doubt he will even remain alive for very long. Then it will be Comrade Kamala, and communist dictatorship. You may think its silly but I'm being deadly serious... Kamala has been a politician in my home state for a long time and I've seen what a ruthless bitch she is. She is a very dictatorial person already. People who voted for Biden because you think he's less bad than Trump... congratulations, you just handed the country over to Kamala in probably no more than 1 year's time.
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All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer,
but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved.
--Sun Tzu
American socialism != European socialism. In America socialism is a code word for communism. Our country is now in the control of people who honeymooned in the USSR (Bernie Sanders), people who are card-carrying members of the Communist Party USA (AOC), etc. Antifa, BLM, all those anarchist groups are on their side. They hate America and want to destroy it so they can create their communist utopia.
Biden is moderate compared to these people, but nobody believes he will actually be in control. I doubt he will even remain alive for very long. Then it will be Comrade Kamala, and communist dictatorship. You may think its silly but I'm being deadly serious... Kamala has been a politician in my home state for a long time and I've seen what a ruthless bitch she is. She is a very dictatorial person already. People who voted for Biden because you think he's less bad than Trump... congratulations, you just handed the country over to Kamala in probably no more than 1 year's time.
Ok tell me exactly what Kamala Harris wants, what her policies are, what America under Obama was, what Bernie wants.
And as a historian i will compare it to the USSR of back in the days.
Also kinda ironic saying the country is under control by Bernie Sanders (WHO LOST 2 TIMES RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT) jaja so much for control.
American socialism != European socialism. In America socialism is a code word for communism. Our country is now in the control of people who honeymooned in the USSR (Bernie Sanders), people who are card-carrying members of the Communist Party USA (AOC), etc. Antifa, BLM, all those anarchist groups are on their side. They hate America and want to destroy it so they can create their communist utopia.
Biden is moderate compared to these people, but nobody believes he will actually be in control. I doubt he will even remain alive for very long. Then it will be Comrade Kamala, and communist dictatorship. You may think its silly but I'm being deadly serious... Kamala has been a politician in my home state for a long time and I've seen what a ruthless bitch she is. She is a very dictatorial person already. People who voted for Biden because you think he's less bad than Trump... congratulations, you just handed the country over to Kamala in probably no more than 1 year's time.
Ok tell me exactly what Kamala Harris wants, what her policies are, what America under Obama was, what Bernie wants.
And as a historian i will compare it to the USSR of back in the days.
Also kinda ironic saying the country is under control by Bernie Sanders (WHO LOST 2 TIMES RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT) jaja so much for control.
Sounds like somebody needs to create an actual anarchist party for the US, dontcha think? For anyone without a brain, anarchy is a self-destructive system. It is impossible to maintain, and is likely to exist for mere moments. This is because as soon as somebody tells anyone else what to do, and the person does it, anarchy no longer exists because one person has more authority than another.
An anarchist party or group literally cannot exist.
people who are card-carrying members of the Communist Party USA (AOC),
Don't want to seem as maniac, but I would bang her that hard that it would immediately swap her braincells to the most hardcore conservative. Just give me 1 night with her and I'll make America great again
people who are card-carrying members of the Communist Party USA (AOC),
Don't want to seem as maniac, but I would bang her that hard that it would immediately swap her braincells to the most hardcore conservative. Just give me 1 night with her and I'll make America great again
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All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer,
but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved.
--Sun Tzu
American socialism != European socialism. In America socialism is a code word for communism. Our country is now in the control of people who honeymooned in the USSR (Bernie Sanders), people who are card-carrying members of the Communist Party USA (AOC), etc. Antifa, BLM, all those anarchist groups are on their side. They hate America and want to destroy it so they can create their communist utopia.
Biden is moderate compared to these people, but nobody believes he will actually be in control. I doubt he will even remain alive for very long. Then it will be Comrade Kamala, and communist dictatorship. You may think its silly but I'm being deadly serious... Kamala has been a politician in my home state for a long time and I've seen what a ruthless bitch she is. She is a very dictatorial person already. People who voted for Biden because you think he's less bad than Trump... congratulations, you just handed the country over to Kamala in probably no more than 1 year's time.
To be honest, I think that you are over exaggerating, all of that is really far from communism (and I was born in post-communism society, trust me). We are easily using strong words nowadays... Bernie is older than Biden, how can he have any more influence than Biden Kamala's political platform seems to be very progressive, not socialist/communist. I am certain that these tensions will calm in the following months, we all have been under a lot of stress throughout this year. Btw, can you tell me how is AOC exactly in touch with communist party? First time i hear about it.
I somewhat don't see the conflict between socialism and freedom... call me stupid but those two words are far from irreconcilable... and there's more than enough examples for it. I'm starting to believe that USA thinks of socialism as some kind of dictatorship where instead of gasing jews, whites would be tortured to death.
Believing that a civil war is the answer to every little step is kinda worrisome but hey, at least Europe will have something to watch while having pop corn.
Socialism is slavery to the state. I don't want a government that dictates every detail of how I live my life. I don't want a government that says "hell yes we're taking your guns". I don't want a government that won't let me go to church but says marijuana shops are "essential". I don't want a government that's gonna take even more of the money I earn and make it impossible to survive as a business owner.
I don't want a government that says I can't drive my car "because of climate change". I don't want to live in a communist surveillance state, like China, where people are assigned "social credit" scores and are disappeared if they speak out. Biden voters don't seem to realize they just pissed away the country to a guy who thinks China is great, and to the political left who think places like Cuba and Venezuela are the models for what the US should be. If that's not enough reasons to fight for freedom, I don't know what is.
I think you are confusing socialism with communism or dictatorship. As I was following campaigns, I noticed that Trump was focusing his whole campaign on fight against "socialism". Clearly, most of Americans do not even know the meaning of the word "socialism", and that's why his campaign clearly worked out. For Americans, word "socialism" is clearly the association for Cold war, China, Cuba, Venezuela.... These 3 countries are FAR from socialist countries. Sweden and the rest of northern European countries are socialist countries (countries of social democracy, which is the most socialist you can get in 21st century), and believe me, Sweden is not China, nor Cuba...
Trump is hard on words, as he always was. I remember him complaining against Ted Cruz for "stealing" some 2016 primaries.... Then, he was complaining about how Hillary Clinton "stole" popular victory... IF he really had any proof of electoral fraud, he would not just tweet, rather fight in court against it. His tweets where he orders for counts to stop were confusing aswell... Biden has been having around 10% advantage on country level on all polls (even in pro-Trump polls, he had 5/6%), which is an additional proof that there is no chance of any electoral fraud happening. Trump just can't accept defeat.
Best wishes to Americans from Europe. Don't worry guys, you are really far from any dictatorship...
Poll are biased...they use polls in this way so that you will come to the conclusion you did. And Biden will sweep America off the edge if he gets in
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"Long have you hunted me. Long have I eluded you. No more. Behold the sword of Elendil."
-Lord Aragorn, High King of Arnor and Gondor
Kamala's political platform seems to be very progressive, not socialist/communist. I am certain that these tensions will calm in the following months, we all have been under a lot of stress throughout this year. Btw, can you tell me how is AOC exactly in touch with communist party? First time i hear about it.
