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14.03.2015 - 19:00
Chocobanalol
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Yearly reminder to implement rated team games because there is simply nothing more important.
5th reminder.

Tl;dr version:
  • 1. You can create 2vs2 and 3vs3 teams with which you compete against other teams. You can set those games up on your own or you get assigned an enemy team close to your own team's skill level.
  • 2. The team's strength is rated using the Elo rating system.
  • 3. Every player has a personal 2vs2 and 3vs3 rating independent of the teams he currently plays in.



For everyone who doesn't know my post from 2011, I will elaborate once more what I think we need for this game to enter the next level:

Elo:
Every big game nowadays has ranking systems for their competitive game modes, most use the Elo rating system, which was also recently introduced for clan wars in atWar. The Elo rating system calculates the relative skill levels of players, in a way that rewards actual skill rather than simply beating thousands of noobs. I will give a short overview: Imagine two values, one is your Elo-number, while the other is the abstract notion of your 'real skill level'. When you start playing your Elo-number is the standardized 'average'. If you beat a player, you gain a certain amount of points, and your opponent loses the equal amount. This means the 'average' will always stay the same, which in turn means that relative player strength can always be measured by comparing it against the mean. If you imagine a static real skill level in form of a numerical value, then the more opponents you play the more your Elo-number will approach this value. Farming in this system is only possible by win trading. What people call 'farming Elo' at the moment is simply playing low ranked players who have less experience. In reality both Elo-numbers approach the 'real value' though. If you take skilled players like Chess or Laochra for example, imagine their real skill level at 2000 rather than 1497 and 1565. The current #1 bluecher2 would never reach this number in reality, but rather stagnate at some number like 1750.
Now that i have made my case for Elo, if you still want you can get more detailed information on the ranking system, on the according page on Wikipedia.

for rated 2vs2 and 3vs3 team games:
You and your friend(s) want to compete against other players as a team. Instead of playing coalition wars you would rather like to always play with the same one or two persons though. So you found a team, invite your friends, give it a name, and are ready to compete. You can either advertise on global as is already possible for non-rated games or click some button for automatically getting assigned an enemy team. Then you play and your team-rating gets changed accordingly. Great.
What is also important is your 'personal 2vs2' and 'personal 3vs3' rating, which represents your team skills as a player. It too is a function of the team-games you played and calculated independently of the team rating of the teams you're in. It also changes when you play 'random' 2vs2 or 3vs3 games in competitive mode with people who are not in your regular teams.
I can get all the information on how to calculate those numbers, but since it's not too hard I think Ivan & Amok could also do it on their own.

There are some details that are important but left out here for simplicity (like you need to wait some days after leaving a team to join a new one), which I will be adding as time goes by.

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14.03.2015 - 19:02
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15.03.2015 - 05:04
Written by Khal.eesi, 14.03.2015 at 19:02


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15.03.2015 - 17:08
Written by Covid19, 15.03.2015 at 05:04

Written by Khal.eesi, 14.03.2015 at 19:02



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[pr] Commando Eagle: duel?
[pr] Commando Eagle: i have to regain back the lost elos and gain extra as punishment for rush



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15.03.2015 - 17:37
Written by Dbacks, 15.03.2015 at 17:08

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15.03.2015 - 17:55
Written by Fockmeeard, 15.03.2015 at 17:37

Written by Dbacks, 15.03.2015 at 17:08

Written by Covid19, 15.03.2015 at 05:04

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16.03.2015 - 10:51
I'd love it
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16.03.2015 - 11:35
To be honest, I wonder if this will actually get implented though. Its a great idea, some things are still pretty weird for me, like the 2v2/3v3 thing, it basically is a clan but then without the cw future thingy? Most of the people dont even take 3v3's serious anymore which I think is a waste. Maybe this will make it more serious again which I will support then. Same goes for 1v1/duels, most people compare everything to elo now days which I think is a bad example of comparation. A player shouldn't be only based on the 1v1 duels...

As going further on the first sentence I made, AW is currently behind with HTML 5 and alot alot ALOOOT of features ( I think, and i've seen) I dont know if this will be implented any time soon D:
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Written by Guest14502, 11.10.2014 at 09:44

Waffel for mod 2015
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16.03.2015 - 11:41
Chocobanalol
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Written by Waffel, 16.03.2015 at 11:35

A player shouldn't be only based on the 1v1 duels...

Which is why adding two new parameters, namely the ratings in 2vs2 and 3vs3, would be good.
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16.03.2015 - 11:47
Written by Guest, 16.03.2015 at 11:41

Written by Waffel, 16.03.2015 at 11:35

A player shouldn't be only based on the 1v1 duels...

Which is why adding two new parameters, namely the ratings in 2vs2 and 3vs3, would be good.

I see, well I hope amok/ivan will take a look at this .
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Written by Guest14502, 11.10.2014 at 09:44

Waffel for mod 2015
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16.03.2015 - 15:07
 Acquiesce (Mod)
Frankly the more opportunities we have for players to compete against one another in a competitive setting the more addictive the game becomes and the more likely it will grow and be successful. Would the team rating be an average of the individual team ELOs of the players within the team? Or would a team's rating reset when a player leaves? Not sure of the finer points here. Some sort of never-ending league with this system would be cool. Anyways, definitely support further discussion and experimenting with this.
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17.03.2015 - 14:11
Chocobanalol
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Written by Acquiesce, 16.03.2015 at 15:07

Would the team rating be an average of the individual team ELOs of the players within the team?

I don't know any game that does it that way. Most work with a 'hidden rating' to set up matches, and the visible team-rating is independent of the individual player's rating. The problem with taking the average of the individual ratings is that you can't have a season-league, because at the end of the season the strongest players could just team up to be the 'best team'.
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23.03.2015 - 04:23
Chocobanalol
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Bump for further discussion.
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26.03.2015 - 09:49
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Full support.
Let's make effort so that it's really happens.
As idk said, it's always good to put some more activity for competitive AW world.
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28.08.2015 - 00:56
Support we need a usable tool like this to balance teams, currently people are using rank to do it but it just doesnt work cause of all those RP farmers reaching high rank without actual skills
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28.08.2015 - 03:58
Written by Kraigg, 28.08.2015 at 00:56

Support we need a usable tool like this to balance teams, currently people are using rank to do it but it just doesnt work cause of all those RP farmers reaching high rank without actual skills

Their fault. I think ranks would be a good balance because it would discourage players from farming SP and getting a shiny badge/all upgrades prematurely.
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28.08.2015 - 06:23
Written by The Tactician, 28.08.2015 at 03:58

Written by Kraigg, 28.08.2015 at 00:56

Support we need a usable tool like this to balance teams, currently people are using rank to do it but it just doesnt work cause of all those RP farmers reaching high rank without actual skills

Their fault. I think ranks would be a good balance because it would discourage players from farming SP and getting a shiny badge/all upgrades prematurely.


I am stating a fact, when in random team games teams need to be balanced, rank is what is used, and that is misleading in most cases. Maybe in the niche 3v3 Eur 10k they do it differently, but thats because the community is fairly small so they all know each others imo.
You are relishing something that will never happen because lots of people love RP (for some reason I cannot grasp). Nothing will ever discourage them from RPing...
Bottom line if u have a team game elo then u have a usefull and efficient tool to balance teams, because right now there is none.
Therefore I fully support the idea
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28.08.2015 - 15:24
Written by Kraigg, 28.08.2015 at 06:23

Written by The Tactician, 28.08.2015 at 03:58

Written by Kraigg, 28.08.2015 at 00:56

Support we need a usable tool like this to balance teams, currently people are using rank to do it but it just doesnt work cause of all those RP farmers reaching high rank without actual skills

Their fault. I think ranks would be a good balance because it would discourage players from farming SP and getting a shiny badge/all upgrades prematurely.


I am stating a fact, when in random team games teams need to be balanced, rank is what is used, and that is misleading in most cases. Maybe in the niche 3v3 Eur 10k they do it differently, but thats because the community is fairly small so they all know each others imo.
You are relishing something that will never happen because lots of people love RP (for some reason I cannot grasp). Nothing will ever discourage them from RPing...
Bottom line if u have a team game elo then u have a usefull and efficient tool to balance teams, because right now there is none.
Therefore I fully support the idea

not going against team elo, but ranks should be taken into account. Not just skill (RP-default map) wise but also upgrades wise.
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28.08.2015 - 22:08
Bumppppp

we need new stuff added to 3v3s
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29.08.2015 - 06:18
Agree. This would make 3v3 cooler to play and less people will leave 3v3's or troll 3v3's bcs they have ''cws'' or they dont take 3v3's seriously.
There should be also added that if the player leaves the game he should lose elo too.
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Written by Guest14502, 11.10.2014 at 09:44

Waffel for mod 2015
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29.08.2015 - 07:04
Support
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Spart is love
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29.08.2015 - 15:55
Tigro
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It would be nice if we had a single word from admins.
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29.08.2015 - 16:37
Su wait for it
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03.08.2016 - 02:09
Implement this.
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03.08.2016 - 06:46
Written by SuperiorCacaocow, 03.08.2016 at 02:09

Implement this.

Who u?
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Written by Guest14502, 11.10.2014 at 09:44

Waffel for mod 2015
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03.08.2016 - 09:16
Written by Waffel, 03.08.2016 at 06:46

Written by SuperiorCacaocow, 03.08.2016 at 02:09

Implement this.

Who u?


the real cow (the creator from that thread)
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03.08.2016 - 09:53
Written by Permamuted, 15.03.2015 at 17:55

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03.08.2016 - 11:28
 O.G.
Couldnt agree more! this would make so much sense
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03.08.2016 - 13:10
Written by Lemonade, 03.08.2016 at 09:16

Written by Waffel, 03.08.2016 at 06:46

Written by SuperiorCacaocow, 03.08.2016 at 02:09

Implement this.

Who u?


the real cow (the creator from that thread)

I see sarcasm doesnt exist in Germany...
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Written by Guest14502, 11.10.2014 at 09:44

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03.08.2016 - 15:42
Written by Waffel, 03.08.2016 at 13:10


I see sarcasm doesnt exist in Germany...

wörk wörk
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