Perfect Defence xD

Written by Alphamon, 01.04.2020 at 07:53

I used to use RA at my start, then i turned PD but i feel MOS is the best Really glad to see you aswell

Written by Alphamon, 01.04.2020 at 07:53

I used to use RA at my start, then i turned PD but i feel MOS is the best Really glad to see you aswell

Written by Witch-Doctor, 31.03.2020 at 15:41

Tengri if you're talking cost efficiency, then imp is even more cost efficient at destroying helicopters. And before you check my strat, yes I play pd.

Written by SuperiorCacaocow, 31.03.2020 at 16:53

Please stop using 'meta' in literally every post it's starting to become cringy.

Also to come back to something you told me once, I agree that overall there are more good players now. But it is dishonest to say that 'the meta has shifted', it has not.
EU West 10k is mostly PD, this was always so apart from 2011 when IF was op, 2012/13 when GC/DS italy was viable, and maybe some time where LB was good which I missed due to inactivity.
In East 10k it's still mostly DS, GC, and more seldomly GW, PD, SM ukr, but barely, vs IMP or sometimes Blitz, GW turkey.
None of this is new. There are also no new expansions; merely minor variations of what has been known for years.

I agree with the 'go play other settings' though.
To make competitive games more varied, we would have to switch maps. But tbh I don't see that happening with every established competitive player being afraid of losing Elo.
Maybe PD should actually be nerfed, if only for a time. Maybe there should be changes to strats after every duel season, rotating what is good. This is how games become interesting, whereas competitive atWar is super stagnant.

Another idea: Two sets of settings for duels, one with the offensive strats, and one with the defensive strats being boosted. This way we would have more variation.

Written by RaulPB, 01.04.2020 at 12:47

I've talked with several Eu-only-players. They are all afraid of leaving Eu mainly due to lack of experience and a "feeling" that Eu is the most balanced map out there... My god, that sucks dick...

One of their main points in their argument is that Eu allows for varying strategies, unlike other maps. How can anyone believe such thing...? For real, PD is the go to in Eu. Even in ancient, PD can beat IF. PD is strong in too many different situations and circunstances. Yet RA had to be nerfed due to its offensive strength but PD can stay as it is. Certainly, no logic is being applied into balancing strategies, just PD-infected people with fear of new "metas", as Lao calls them.

As soon as any strategy proved to be stronger than PD in certain situations, the nerf hammer was used pretty fast. So why can't we either nerf PD or buff others? Pls, someone let me do the balancing.

Written by Permamuted, 01.04.2020 at 14:44

An ancient world player complaining about 1 strategy being too dominant, ive heard it all now.

There is literally 0 reasons a player who wants to maximise their chances of winning on ancient would ever pick a strategy other than ironfist.

Maybe you should play some east duels. You can competitively employ all the strats bar nc. Pd is 1 of the weaker options. You can try pd turk and ukr if you want. But dont be surprised if your elo takes a hit.

Written by RaulPB, 01.04.2020 at 15:40

Okey, I guess you've just found your man here. I've played several more than IF: PD, NC, Imp, Blitz, GW, LB... PD can be just as strong as IF. I've just won today a duel in Ancient (china scenario) using PD vs Kaska IF. IF is just strong, yeah, but not unbeatable. Every Eu player thinking they know it all about ancient when they can't even duel there nor improvise a decent game.

Ukr PD has been played. Turkey PD has been played as well. That's all that matters to me, it's viable. Even in conditions that maybe one thought were contradictory. Doesn't that mean anything?

And as a matter of fact, I've been an Eu player as well. So pls, stop the ad hominem. Don't just try to make my argument sounds less than yours because of what I play the most.

Written by RaulPB, 01.04.2020 at 12:47

Even in ancient, PD can beat IF.

Written by Permamuted, 01.04.2020 at 16:08

Reading comprehension folks. They don't teach it anymore. Where did I say say iron fist was unbeatable on ancient.? Read my post " 0 reasons a player who wants to maximise their chances of winning on ancient would ever pick a strategy other than ironfist."

No ad hominem. By your own reasoning the very fact that i can play hw uk and win under the right conditions is all that matters. Everything is fine and balanced.

Written by clovis1122, 01.04.2020 at 16:27

Any strat can beat any strat tho, but all other things equal, I'm not sure it is a fair match.

Written by RaulPB, 01.04.2020 at 18:18

Written by clovis1122, 01.04.2020 at 16:27

Any strat can beat any strat tho, but all other things equal, I'm not sure it is a fair match.

Well, I have proven myself it is fair more than once.

Written by RaulPB, 01.04.2020 at 18:25

Also, why don't we agree on nerfing IF, since it is so technically superior to any other in ancient? According to Lao, since "no one" is picking anything else in Ancient if they want to be as competitive as possible, that would mean it is objectively overpowered, doesn't it?

Written by RaulPB, 01.04.2020 at 18:18

But, by that logic, if any strat can beat any other, why in this world have you people balanced things out? You never stated this when nerfing RA, for instance...

Written by clovis1122, 01.04.2020 at 16:27

Written by RaulPB, 01.04.2020 at 12:47

Even in ancient, PD can beat IF.

Any strat can beat any strat tho, but all other things equal, I'm not sure it is a fair match.

Written by RaulPB, 01.04.2020 at 18:17

Find that condition under which you can win with HW UK and I might believe you. I have proven PD can beat IF in ancient, more than once. Have you ever tried to prove your point?

Written by clovis1122, 01.04.2020 at 16:27

Any strat can beat any strat tho, but all other things equal, I'm not sure it is a fair match.

Written by clovis1122, 01.04.2020 at 18:29

Well, IF may be overpowered in Ancient, but not so elsewhere - same with PD. IMO, when one strategy is so strong that it can compete outside of its niche - that's where a Nerf should take place.

Written by RaulPB, 01.04.2020 at 12:47

As soon as any strategy proved to be stronger than PD in certain situations, the nerf hammer was used pretty fast.

Written by Permamuted, 01.04.2020 at 19:03

You are freaking me out. You're actually speaking sense.

Written by Permamuted, 01.04.2020 at 20:07

For all I care they could delete pd for a few months. Ideally the game would have regular meta rotation like other big games. After every duel season would be awesome. Shakeups to keep us all on our toes. Originally it was quite easy getting Amok/Ivan to implement changes. But certain individuals harassed them and caused so much fuss to the point that they wanted nothing to do with it. Sadly i expect they'll do the same to Dave.

I think it's sad for example buildings have been relegated to the dumpster. People barely gave them a chance. They shouldve been enabled in every game for the first few months to give them a proper testing before adding the option to disable them. Then we could've decided whether they were a positive addition. Instead it seems like nobody has given them a chance. Sometimes people just don't know whats good for them(myself included).

Written by clovis1122, 01.04.2020 at 09:08

Written by Witch-Doctor, 31.03.2020 at 15:41

Tengri if you're talking cost efficiency, then imp is even more cost efficient at destroying helicopters. And before you check my strat, yes I play pd.

I'm completely disappointed by this comment. I expected something in the lines of 'send 1 more unit'.

Written by Witch-Doctor, 01.04.2020 at 20:42

Written by clovis1122, 01.04.2020 at 09:08

Written by Witch-Doctor, 31.03.2020 at 15:41

Tengri if you're talking cost efficiency, then imp is even more cost efficient at destroying helicopters. And before you check my strat, yes I play pd.

I'm completely disappointed by this comment. I expected something in the lines of 'send 1 more unit'.

But tengri won the battle

Quote:

Well, IF may be overpowered in Ancient, but not so elsewhere - same with PD. IMO, when one strategy is so strong that it can compete outside of its niche - that's where a Nerf should take place.

Written by Permamuted, 01.04.2020 at 18:59

Oh if some r5 picked ironfist volga.

You seem to be lacking a basic understanding of how "optimum" gameplay works. You're also totally missing the point. This is atwar and it has a significant rng element in gameplay. Your skills, strategy, gameplay, mood etc all contribute towards your % chance of winning. Nothing is 100%.

You are going into a high income, high city density map with other special units that have double digit att/def figures. Militia have a base +2 range. You are then picking a strat that boosts only infantry and militia over a strat that gives a blanket +2 hp boost to all units.

I dont care if you 1v2 slowrolled witch doctor and chess with blitz and they ironfist. If you pick anything other than ironfist on that map you are handicapping yourself. It is not optimum. It reduces your % chance of winning. It's simple math.

Written by SyrianDevil, 01.04.2020 at 18:42

@raul
nobody gives a fuck that you won PD vs IF kaska in ancient

Written by clovis1122, 01.04.2020 at 18:29

How do you do it? Money (Carthage, Rome) and powerful special units (Carth, Rome, Greece) are far too close so that IF players can overpower them. There're also some crazy expansions that yields lots of early reinfs that is only possible for IF and maybe LB (never tried). So how do you beat an IF player that can easily rush you? And if your plan is to pick far (like, Syria, maybe) - how do you beat the Mediterranean?

Well, IF may be overpowered in Ancient, but not so elsewhere - same with PD. IMO, when one strategy is so strong that it can compete outside of its niche - that's where a Nerf should take place.

Written by Permamuted, 01.04.2020 at 20:07

For all I care they could delete pd for a few months. Ideally the game would have regular meta rotation like other big games. After every duel season would be awesome. Shakeups to keep us all on our toes. Originally it was quite easy getting Amok/Ivan to implement changes. But certain individuals harassed them and caused so much fuss to the point that they wanted nothing to do with it. Sadly i expect they'll do the same to Dave.

I think it's sad for example buildings have been relegated to the dumpster. People barely gave them a chance. They shouldve been enabled in every game for the first few months to give them a proper testing before adding the option to disable them. Then we could've decided whether they were a positive addition. Instead it seems like nobody has given them a chance. Sometimes people just don't know whats good for them(myself included).

Written by SyrianDevil, 02.04.2020 at 14:58

You underestimate gw in ancient world...
IF > gw > pd